Rare record pricing.

[portnoy]

there's this funny banner down there (insert down arrow here)

so if you feel the urge to purge purge there please.

Cheers once again all (james)

Wayne

(still holding my priceless album close to my chest)

 

[Ken Boyd]

if that's how you really feel and act, i would vote for you if you run for office, unfortunately that's not how it is in the real world. Look at our goverment. Tea party wants to ruin it for everyone, and there's nothing anyone can do. Waht a mess. Everyone has their own agenda and its all about social class!

Honesty is the best policy when there is money in it.

Mark Twain



hope I shall possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.

George Washington

 

[Ken Boyd]

But really James sometimes the best method of learning is by mistakes, as those are the ones you will remember the best.

Let the buyer know you made a mistake but you will honor the contract, let him know of any other good LP's you have and he might look at that as a way to make the mistake worthwhile to you.

 

[JP]

No there never has been nor will their ever be a good reason to lose your self respect by lowering your ethics to meet the situation.

James is not and was not not going to lose his house or displace his family because of this $380.00 he was perfectly willing to sell for $19.99 and happy to do so until he found out that the record was under valued and even if this was the case I personally would rather be homeless than without my honor.

The way your phrased that first sentence Snow, I don't disagree. However, I think there are ethics vs. ethics and morals vs. ethics situations that could transcend.

I know for myself, I made a promise to my wife to always keep our family safe. Which promise do I keep, if I can only keep one?

I've never had to make that decision, and I hope I never have to.

Rule #7... 'Crusading' (aggressive proselytizing of anything) (is) not allowed.

Snow was answering a question I asked. Plenty of others have voiced similar opinions in this thread.

 

[Duckhunter]

I actually agree with sheltie dave on this one, except that business can be conducted with both morals and ethics.

I do have to ask though; knowing what the ethical thing to do here is, and not knowing anything about James' situation, is there a hardship that transcends ethics?

If you (anyone) were faced with losing your home and displacing your family, or backing out of a sale (explaining your situation to the buyer), what would you choose?

I know if I was selling things like this in order to save my house and keep things going, I would be doing hours of research in order to assure I am asking for fair market prices for my goods, and to ensure I will be moving enough goods as well.

Just an observation

Mike

 

[kcdonahue]

James,

My advice, don't sell records... (at least until you have a better handle on selling them online)

There is nothing like getting hammered on ebay because a record was not "as described" or having someone reverse the charge on their credit card (GEMM) because the uber rare record they bought from you doesn't meet their grading standards.

I grade using the goldmine grading system and when I list records online I usually list them a grade below what they appear to be so I can deliver records that are better then the buyer is expecting. This still has backfired on me, especially when selling overseas.

I prefer to clean the records that I sell on a Nitty Gritty and play them through to listen for issues that I did not catch during the visual inspection.

Packing records is an art form, especially when selling rare stuff... Record mailers and cardboard spacers are a must. For records that are ver valuable, I double box them. Always remove LPs from the cardboard dust cover when you ship them. Keep them in the paper dust sleeve and place them against the dust cover to avoid damages to edge of the dust cover. I prefer to place the dustcover and sleeve into a poly sleeve for shipping also just a a precaution...

I prefer selling records at record shows/fairs. You will not make as much as you will on ebay, GEMM or Discogs but it is a lot less hassle. Your buyers have a chance to look over everything, barter and pay with cash...

Two more places for record pricing:

www.popsike.com
www.collectorsfrenzy.com

Disclaimer: I'm not a pro record seller, just an average schmo trying to make a buck or two in an effort to feed my hobby.

Hope this is helpful,

KC

 

[trueview]

sure wish iI had reneged on the buyitnow sale of some early AR1's

 

[jameswei]

james,

my advice, don't sell records... (at least until you have a better handle on selling them online)

there is nothing like getting hammered on ebay because a record was not "as described" or having someone reverse the charge on their credit card (gemm) because the uber rare record they bought from you doesn't meet their grading standards.

I grade using the goldmine grading system and when i list records online i usually list them a grade below what they appear to be so i can deliver records that are better then the buyer is expecting. This still has backfired on me, especially when selling overseas.

I prefer to clean the records that i sell on a nitty gritty and play them through to listen for issues that i did not catch during the visual inspection.

Packing records is an art form, especially when selling rare stuff... Record mailers and cardboard spacers are a must. For records that are ver valuable, i double box them. Always remove lps from the cardboard dust cover when you ship them. Keep them in the paper dust sleeve and place them against the dust cover to avoid damages to edge of the dust cover. I prefer to place the dustcover and sleeve into a poly sleeve for shipping also just a a precaution...

I prefer selling records at record shows/fairs. You will not make as much as you will on ebay, gemm or discogs but it is a lot less hassle. Your buyers have a chance to look over everything, barter and pay with cash...

Two more places for record pricing:

www.popsike.com
www.collectorsfrenzy.com

disclaimer: I'm not a pro record seller, just an average schmo trying to make a buck or two in an effort to feed my hobby.

Hope this is helpful,

kc

yes epay is a hard place to sell items, i learn the hard way. Someone ordered a crosby still and nash album for like $8.00 or so, since i just atarted i pick out the record and play it to make sure everything is alright and then send it out. A few days later someone had open a case against me saying item is not as described, it was the buyer from that buyer. He claim that the record is wraped and he threw it away and wanting the full refund including the shipping, and you know how that turn out.

 

[Andyman]

He claim that the record is wraped and he threw it away and wanting the full refund including the shipping, and you know how that turn out.

If he opened a case, he'd have to return the record to get his refund, so if he threw it away, you should win by default.

Buyers have to return goods for a refund unless sellers agree otherwise, so don't agree otherwise.

Sounds like another train wreck....

 

[kali]

1.) It's easy to take the high road with someone else's money.

2.) Talk is cheap

3.) If you don't like the answer, then don't ask the question

 

[jameswei]

I contact the buyer and agree to refund him and willing to pay extra for shipping the record back to me, and he said he threw it away.

 

[kcdonahue]

James,

You can withhold the refund until you receive the record. The buyer has to return the product, with tracking, to receive the refund through ebay returns.

If they do not go through the process 100% ebay will be on your side. You can still refund some of his $ through paypal if you feel it is necessary, but this is outside of the ebay return process.

KC

 

[Urizen]

if that's how you really feel and act, i would vote for you if you run for office, unfortunately that's not how it is in the real world. Look at our goverment. Tea party wants to ruin it for everyone, and there's nothing anyone can do. Waht a mess. Everyone has their own agenda and its all about social class!

Read the forum rules and consider yourself warned for posting political content.

This train wreck of a thread is closed.

 

[Fisherdude]

This thread is a perfect example of why so many threads about selling turn out to be proof of why you have to be extremely careful who you deal with online.

If I made the mistake the OP did -- what's stopping me from refunding the money and not selling the item?

Nothing, except that it's unethical, fraudulent, and illegal.

Sure -- why not, if not prohibited from doing so..You have the right to remove an offer off the table if you're able to refund money...How are they being punished if you can refund the money? Punished by paying a market price? Why should a seller be punished for making a mistake?

You offered something for sale, a buyer accepted. Done. You do NOT have the right to remove an offer just because you can refund the money. Yes, you should suffer the consequences for failing to do your homework.

This is getting interesting! I have not send an invoice to the buyer, that's how it works in discogs. When someone place an order, i see the order and figure out the shipping (flat fee for domestic, and fees vary on international). So i am thinking here, i haven't take his money no invoice send, can i back out?

The fact that you haven't sent an invoice yet is strictly a discogs paperwork issue. The deal is done. You offered something for sale, a buyer accepted, it's done.

Both of the above are examples of somebody trying to weasel out of deal once it's over. You can try to rationalize it any way you want. You can try to find loopholes in the rules, in the logic, in the ethics, in the law.

There are no loopholes. You offer something for sale, and a buyer accepts. Done. If you refuse to complete the sale, you're the problem.

"But, wait! I haven't sent an invoice yet, so I can get out of it!" "But, wait! I can still refund the money, so I can get out of it!"


Just because you can get away with it doesn't change the facts.