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realistic vs marantz

brad6285

AK Member
i have a realistic lab 420 that in real good shape but wanted to send it to truntable restorations for restoration/cleaning with real walnut veneer to be added. my question is should i do this or buy a marantz 6300 that has been totally restored for 375.00. to have mine restored im lookin at 185 plus shipping both ways so ill be lookin at probably 235 when all said and done. i would think the marantz is a better tt anyway or is it. thanx brad
 
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At the risk of offending the Marantz fans, I wouldn't consider that much of an upgrade. Both turntables were made by the same manufacturer, CEC. The 420 is fully automatic and the 6300 is semi-automatic. The 420's plinth would be VERY easy to strip and re-veneer, although you'd lose the graphics.

Edit: Actually, most of the graphics are on the "armboard" anyway.
 
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I'll second that. The tts are equivalent. The Marantz commands a higher value due to glitz and the name. If you want that, fine, but just know what you're buying.
 
375 for a 6300? That is a total rip off! I paid 172 for my 6100 and I think that is about all it should go for. Personally I would just leave your tt alone and buy more records maybe a nice vintage Stanton cartridge for it?!?!?!
 
Skip the 6300 for that price. While a very nice TT it's not that great. I sold mine in great condition for $250 with a new Shure cart. You can do a lot better.
 
Excuse me FLAMMASTER , I do understand that you might not like the TT but if there is a thing I don't do is ripping off people!
Before posting comments like that you should really think about it, I have been restoring TT's for a long time and never, I repeat NEVER ripped anybody off.
Do you have an idea on how much work goes into restoring a unit?
 
How about trying a different table?

The Marantz may be a tad high or not. Some really like certain brands and the price isnt an issue. Performance wise your table and the Marantz are about the same. How about trying something else? Mabye a Thorens? Or a Technics?

If you keep yours, you might want to upgrade your cart. And as suggested buy some more Vinyl. Have fun!

Eric:music:
 
I have to agree with CLA6665. Restored Marantz 6300s routinely go for $375 and up. I personally sold one I had done for $500. Whether it's worth twice the price of the Lab 420 I can't say, but Ebay sets the market price. The Marantz 6100 is much lower quality than the 6300 (yes, I have owned both). IMHO the Marantz 6300 is one of the best looking of the wood based TTs of the 70s. It's also very well made. I would rate it higher than the Lab 420. I routinely see restored Marantz 6100s going for $250-$300. I would never pay that for one of those. You may find a nice 6300 for $250 on Ebay, but that is rare. I think $375 for a well restored one is actually under market (I watch TT prices on Ebay daily). Since I restore TTs myself, I can tell you that for the hours it takes to do a proper restoration there isn't alot of money to be made by the restorer. If you like the Marantz 6300 then go for it. I still regret selling the one I had.

Jon Noyes
 
I say you should gussy up that Lab 420 and post pics pronto so we can see what one of these looks like with genuine, real, wood veneer :D
 
Thank you JNOYES, I appreciate your comment. The TT that brad6285 is referring to is one of mine, I restored it a while back but unfortunatelly the owner is downsizing.
 
CLA665

You're welcome. Looks like a very nicely done Marantz. Anyone that thinks the 6100 is comparable to the 6300 should check the specs at VinylEngine. Not even close!
I don't think the Lab 420 is either.

Compared to the 6100 or Lab, the 6300 has a longer arm, much heavier platter, much heavier overall, very nice adjustable feet and looks much better. That's why the sell for more.

I will say that the Realistic TTs are decent quality and under-valued on Ebay, as are many other brands.

Jon
 
I'll bite: How much work does go into restoring a turntable?
I can see repairing a changer being fairly time consuming, and therefore expensive, but most CEC derived tables seem to me mostly to need cleaning up and some rebelting/lubing.
I do both fairly routinely, and thought myself that the prices mentioned were higher than I would consider sensible. But having done a lot of camera repairs in years past, I'm also aware of three things: 1.) Some people aren't good with their hands, so they need to pay someone to do things for them, and those doing them need to make a living. 2.) There's no accounting for taste, and some people not only want stuff other people don't want, but paying a fair amount for it validates their choice (a good deal of the high end is based on this). 3.) Any repair place has to make money on simple repairs since most often they lose it on complex repairs, and going in, who the hell knows whether it will be simple or blow up in your face? So charge enough to cover yourself a bit either way.
But I don't think that it makes sense to get indignant about complaints about cost -- either its worth it to the buyer, or its not, and all the other comments are beside the point. Getting hot and bothered actually adds to the suspicion that not everything is on the up and up.
Personally, I think veneering a Radio Shack table is an odd way to spend money, but clearly the original poster disagrees with me, and its his dough to do with what he will.
 
Really?, well I see it differently Nat, when somebody tells me that I am ripping off people that bothers me, not my thing.
What do you mean by "adds to the suspicion that not everything is on the up and up."? I'd really like to know.
Thank you
 
i have a realistic lab 420 that in real good shape but wanted to send it to truntable restorations for restoration/cleaning with real walnut veneer to be added. my question is should i do this or buy a marantz 6300 that has been totally restored for 375.00. to have mine restored im lookin at 185 plus shipping both ways so ill be lookin at probably 235 when all said and done. i would think the marantz is a better tt anyway or is it. thanx brad

Thats kinda high. I make new bases for them and restore tables all the time. I just quoted a guy 85 plus the shipping to do his. What else is he doing to the table. I own two marantz 6300. I'm also an electronics tech by trade for more than 25 plus years.
 
cla6665,
Remember you are not only being paid for your time but your knowledge and skills.
That is something people forget when seeing prices charged for work done.

Barney
 
That is really cheap 4140, $ 85 for a restoration is like doing it for free I think. I charge $ 185 because I strip the plinth down, reveneer it, stain it and finish it.
Rewire the tonearm with new wires, new headshell leads and tune everything up. It takes some time to do all that, beside the cost of the veneer and materials.
 
That is really cheap 4140, $ 85 for a restoration is like doing it for free I think. I charge $ 185 because I strip the plinth down, reveneer it, stain it and finish it.
Rewire the tonearm with new wires, new headshell leads and tune everything up. It takes some time to do all that, beside the cost of the veneer and materials.

I have restored or repaired over 600 tables in my days. I know that some wires and things that go in them do cost a pretty penny. If you do all this then I can see your price. I do electronic repair 8 hrs a day, 5 days a week since 1984. I am in this for a hobby not a job. I just like working with wood.
I have seen your work on ebay. I will tell you there nice. There are a couple of things I am not to thrilled about what you do. But people are and thats your way of doing them. My price is cheap because I just love doing it nad lets face it. You and I both know domestic veneer is a penny on the dollar like walnut, oak, maple and what have you. I do more with exotics. I have more then 200 differnt woods for around the world. I also make most of my veneer myself. If you put in new wires in the tonearm and head shell. there is some money there just in the wire. I dont reveneer anything. I make all new bases. The original wood is crap and you know this. but not everybody can do this and that doesnt make it bad. All in all. If you do everything you said. 185 is a fair price. My bases take alot of time. I'm not here to tick anybody off. thanks
 
Sure 4140, not a problem. Thank you man, out of curiosity what is that you don't like about my TT's? I am always all ears when it comes to constructive comments. I do this because of passion for music and also love to work with wood too, unfortunatelly I have to buy my veneers from a supplier. I do replace all the wires all the time, just like to give the TT back with a fresh set of wires
Thanks
 
I've got one of cla6665's TTs and I think they are worth the price as the final result looks, sounds and functions beautifully. :yes:

I've been doing speaker refurbs/restorations for a few years now, and my labor "costs" far exceed what I can reasonably expect to charge to someone. And, at the end of the day, I do it primarily for fun.

That said, cla6665's work is -- IMHO opinion -- fairly priced. :thmbsp:
 
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