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Replacement Stylus for Stanton 881S Cartridge

what you call "knowledge" is simply rehashed 2nd and 3rd hand information that anyone who wants to participate in these types of discussions can simply google for an hour or two and post as though they are authorities on the subject.

I prefer to listen for myself and decide for myself what sounds good and what doesn't. I've been doing it for decades.

I don't need someone who has a vested interest in cheap after-market needles and re-tipping old ones to tell me what "sounds good"
 
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what you call "knowledge" is simply rehashed 2nd and 3rd hand information that anyone who wants to participate in these types of discussions can simply google for an hour or two and post as though they are authorities on the subject.

I prefer to listen for myself and decide for myself what sounds good and what doesn't.

I don't need someone who has a vested interest in cheap after-market needles and re-tipping old ones to tell me what "sounds good"
Buy what you want.
There is no vested interests here, I don't sell black diamond and I am not offering the OP a service. My knowledge is not rehashed anything it is from actual testing and actually observing the component parts and seeing how very different after market is. In the same way a Porcshe and a kit car Porsche are not the same, a Jico is made from inferior parts, no fault of there own as the parts are nor available to anyone, but this unavailability limits the quality of the finished product.
A foam rubber suspension with a fatter tie wire and much heavier less stiff cantilever and a much stiffer brush has limitations even if you are happy, many of us are not.
A long time ago for the 881 I tried Jico, LP gear, eventually I scored a factory stylus and finally I understood what an 881 should sound like.
Chris
 
Chris
What I don't understand is why the only solution to repair an 881S is to replace only the diamond. That limits things too much, since as happened to me (and another reader here has gone through the same thing) healthy cantilevers are practically impossible to find. It seems that all hollow aluminum cantilevers have had walls that are too thin. Now, why not use another material (boron?) for the cantilever and put the best needle available at the moment. If you want MR, then why not? It would be an improvement over the original. I think that if I were to do an examination of the two elastomers of the needles that I have, they would be in good condition, even after so many years. Maybe they are not industrial elastomers, but natural rubber, which makes them very elastic and durable. You made the analogy with cars, I hate them, but I will go into that area. Are the suspension bushings of old cars better made of natural rubber or the current ones made of industrial synthetic compounds? For either of them, oil spilled from a leaking crankcase or other engine components always damages them, that's clear.
 
I just used the search function here for "JICO 881S" (title only) to gain some "knowledge" on why the JICO is not a suitable replacement....there are only two threads from over 10 years ago.


Being more specific, searching for "JICO D81" (again, title only), there are no results.

I'm sure that if I cast a wider net, I'll find some posts but I suspect not many were sold (to AK members) simply based on the price of the JICO.....


I don't own a 881S but I do have several 681EEE cartridges for which I will purchase a JICO and compare to the original Stanton styli I have on hand. I've done so for numerous Shure cartridges and have never been disappointed. It should be interesting.
 
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Chris
What I don't understand is why the only solution to repair an 881S is to replace only the diamond. That limits things too much, since as happened to me (and another reader here has gone through the same thing) healthy cantilevers are practically impossible to find. It seems that all hollow aluminum cantilevers have had walls that are too thin. Now, why not use another material (boron?) for the cantilever and put the best needle available at the moment. If you want MR, then why not? It would be an improvement over the original. I think that if I were to do an examination of the two elastomers of the needles that I have, they would be in good condition, even after so many years. Maybe they are not industrial elastomers, but natural rubber, which makes them very elastic and durable. You made the analogy with cars, I hate them, but I will go into that area. Are the suspension bushings of old cars better made of natural rubber or the current ones made of industrial synthetic compounds? For either of them, oil spilled from a leaking crankcase or other engine components always damages them, that's clear.
There are plenty of 881 with healthy cantilevers thry come up often on the Web.
Yes you can retip with boron but it is not advisable as all have the wrong rake angle due to the shape of the 881 cantilever.
The 881 cantilever was very short and very thin so it was already very light so there is no need to replace it with boron.
Many vintage carts had beautiful alloy cantilevers, the mc2000 was super then and a strong taper, replacing it would not achieve anything positive.
Micro ridge is a far better cut than either Shibata or Stereohedron as it will track complex highs in the inner grooves better. If the 881 was around today I am sure they would be using micro ridge.
I am very happy about the resurgence of vinyl, and there are some great carts being made, but few if any have the technology of old, long gone are the days of specially made elastomers, silk tie backs, lovely super thin walled and tapered cantilevers or hollow boron cantilevers. Even retippers can't buy these amazing cantilevers.
There is nothing wrong with those who want to use Jico, I have various Jico stylus, my EPC 205 also has one which sounds great, but it is not close to the original which is no surprise as the original has a beautiful hollow boron cantilever, the tieback and suspension are much better giving the original the better faster sound. The Jico does very well indeed, a good option if someone does not have an original stylus but is is fir sure a second place.
The 881, the original is sweeter sounding, more of a MC presentation. The Jico is harder edged, and a bit edgy, it gave me listening fatigue.
Again a good stylus but just not like the original.
Chris
 
Thanks for the explanation. It makes no sense for me to take risks buying used 881S cartridges on the web. Just as the humidity ruined my cantilevers, it could very well have ruined something inside the body, wires, solder, etc. I can measure MY coils, but if I buy through the web, there are no guarantees.
So for me, it all comes down to buying a Jico D-81 stylus or forgetting about using these cartridges again. Do you have ear fatigue from using a stylus other than the original? I would never have thought that. Could it be your speakers that are responsible? Or maybe too much listening time, I get tired after an hour of listening, but it could be just boredom...at my age there are no surprises, it's all about listening to new interpretations of well-known songs...because the "new" in general is garbage, for my musical tastes, of course.
Rolando
 
Thanks for the explanation. It makes no sense for me to take risks buying used 881S cartridges on the web. Just as the humidity ruined my cantilevers, it could very well have ruined something inside the body, wires, solder, etc. I can measure MY coils, but if I buy through the web, there are no guarantees.
So for me, it all comes down to buying a Jico D-81 stylus or forgetting about using these cartridges again. Do you have ear fatigue from using a stylus other than the original? I would never have thought that. Could it be your speakers that are responsible? Or maybe too much listening time, I get tired after an hour of listening, but it could be just boredom...at my age there are no surprises, it's all about listening to new interpretations of well-known songs...because the "new" in general is garbage, for my musical tastes, of course.
Rolando
I have over 100 carts and due to retipping I have heard thousands, mm mc, light, everything.
Many 881 and stylus sold online come with pictures and a description of how the condition is. If the description is not accurate then with ebay it can be returned.
My speakers are ATC scm 100s.
Chris
 
Yes, I know, but I'm not interested in wasting my time shopping on E-Commerce and waiting to see what I get. I don't want any setbacks. Thanks for the advice. Regards
Rolando
 
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