malden
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I'm referring to the basic elliptical, Shure referred to them as "bi-radial", big difference
Replacement Stylus for Stanton 881S Cartridge
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It depends only on suspension. If it is 20 years old (I believe last MK2 was manufactured in the beginning of 2000s) may be OK, but not sure.
P.S. 78rpm stylus suspension from beginning of 2000s is still OK. But for 78 it is stiffer of course and different material.
malden
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unless there are quality recordings made with original styli, and that exact setup can be reproduced today for comparison
What are you talking about? There are original factory test reports available. I believe you should read some basic things.
Only thing what ages (if cartridge is handled properly) is suspension what affect compliance.
cafe latte
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The point is they sound a lot better than Jico, 50 years old or not. The suspension can be replaced but removing the suspension and testing them they are perfect despite age.
Chris
cafe latte
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Utter nonsense.
These carts came with a frequency plot done with the actual stylus you were buying, the same test can be performed on them today and see if they are still in spec.
The same test can be done on the Jico to see if they are as flat ( they are not).
The suspension can be removed and tested to see if it has gone soft or hard. We can also measure the compliance of the cartridge to see if it is as specified when new.
It is very easy to test the health of old MM cartridges.
Chris
cafe latte
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ALL elliptical are called biradial, it just became cool to say elliptical.
You again are wrong, even cheap elliptical with front and rear cut off have a smaller minor radius than a conical, it is why the front and rear is shaved off. You have some very basic misunderstandings.
Chris
cafe latte
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Basically the side of the tip of the cone touches the groove wall on a conical.
If we shave the front and rear of the cone off we have just made the side of the tip of the cone narrower hence reducing the minor radius so not the same contact patch as a conical.
A true ellipsoid the minor radius is narrower again and the major radius is a little longer, but BOTH types of elliptical have a different contact patch to a conical.
Chris
If we shave the front and rear of the cone off we have just made the side of the tip of the cone narrower hence reducing the minor radius so not the same contact patch as a conical.
A true ellipsoid the minor radius is narrower again and the major radius is a little longer, but BOTH types of elliptical have a different contact patch to a conical.
Chris
academia50
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That's very basic, and that's what I wrote, Google Translate didn't understand me! Sorry to seem so stupid....
academia50
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I suppose making the cantilever out of a thin-walled tube has its advantage in terms of compliance, but I never imagined it could be so ruined. I never "wet-run" records, unless using a Cecil E. Watts tonearm with the roller moistened with a homemade solution of distilled water and 25% isopropyl alcohol means the same thing. I hope I don't ruin the Denon DL-103's stylus with this method...damn!
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malden
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What is your definition of "better"?
malden
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Can you post links of some testing laboratories that have done frequency plots on 50 year old Stanton needles?
Is a fr plot the final measure of a good stylus?
What if the JICO replacement measures the same? What does that prove?
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malden
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Exactly, they are not "elliptical" which is my point
cafe latte
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Umm yes they are, the contact patch is not the same as a conical. OMG
cafe latte
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Anyone can do frequency plots, JP spoke about doing it earlier, I regularly do it testing carts it does nit need to be a lab thing, unbelievable!! Also some of these are only 20 odd years old.
Chris
cafe latte
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Measure better ( flatter) and track better ( also measurable easily) and due to this sound better.
Chris
malden
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I agree
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malden
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what's unbelievable is the notion that if one person says something sounds better to them, it will and should sound better to everyone
There are way too many variables in audio to make such claims and expect them to apply to every recording, every system, every set of ears.
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malden
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I suppose you are some sort of authority on this subject but you have not proven any of your assertions.
As a life-long audio-nerd myself, there are a couple of things I have learned
1) there are very few absolutes in audio that can be applied to every situation
2) don't believe everything you read on the internet, especially when someone asserts their opinion as universal
My take-away from this silly back and forth, is that cafe latte are a "retipper" and that is what he recommends.
It's also worth noting that cafe latte also recommendeds the inferior Black Diamond brand which he is a reseller of but he DOES NOT recommend JICO, a company known for being one of, if not the most respected manufacturers of after-market styli.
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You are excellent example of "know nothing but have opinion". You do not know or understand (or both) even catridge/stylus basics, do not know nothing about stylus shapes etc. But have opinion. No matter Jico or anything, we are talking about stylus shape first.