KrisM
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I thought this was about the connection between Canadian art and politics?
And if we are talking about Great Lakes cities that rock, Thunder Bay is where it is at. At least it was when I saw Monkey Junk there this summer.
Rush nominated for 2013 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Fans can vote for the first time!
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I thought this was about the connection between Canadian art and politics?
And if we are talking about Great Lakes cities that rock, Thunder Bay is where it is at. At least it was when I saw Monkey Junk there this summer.
poppachubby
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Funny, I just finished listening to my Bull Moose Jackson LP. Maybe some of you have heard the Aerosmith song "Big Ten Inch Record"? Heh... honestly there's so many examples that books have been wrote on the subject.
spideyjack
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wanna sign my petition to get Triumph nominated for the rnrhof?
spaceman
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OK, things got pretty scrambled up there, obviously I didn't say what I meant, in a way that it could be understood. In fact, I'm not too sure I understand what I was trying to say anymore. :arrow: 
I understand your point Poppa, and fully agree, that the major inspiration of rock in the first place, was primarily white boys trying to play the blues. Like John Mayall, and the many musicians who played with him, black & white. :yes: But at some point, those white boys turned the blues into something else entirely, hence the term, rock 'n' roll. I know just as well as you, that there was a WHOLE lot of plagiarism involved, but the thing is, they "morphed" those blues into a whole different thing, rock 'n' roll. Based on the blues, but not the same old blues. I feel like I'm arguing against myself here, because no matter how many times I say rock isn't the blues, I guess I can see where most folks will want to say yes it is, just evolved. :scratch2: OK, I'm gonna just shutup now. Most of you already know I'm a nut, no need to keep proving it, I guess.
I understand your point Poppa, and fully agree, that the major inspiration of rock in the first place, was primarily white boys trying to play the blues. Like John Mayall, and the many musicians who played with him, black & white. :yes: But at some point, those white boys turned the blues into something else entirely, hence the term, rock 'n' roll. I know just as well as you, that there was a WHOLE lot of plagiarism involved, but the thing is, they "morphed" those blues into a whole different thing, rock 'n' roll. Based on the blues, but not the same old blues. I feel like I'm arguing against myself here, because no matter how many times I say rock isn't the blues, I guess I can see where most folks will want to say yes it is, just evolved. :scratch2: OK, I'm gonna just shutup now. Most of you already know I'm a nut, no need to keep proving it, I guess. 
kneeOhFight
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spaceman, the element of your post that left me dumbfounded had absolutely nothing to do with music.
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I heard this on the radio the other day and new some of you would be very happy. Seems there's a bit of an annual disappointment to Rush fans until now?
Personally, I'm more of an NWA guy myself. In my view, Dr Dre and Ice Cube (et al) have contributed more originality to the music world; changed its course and left their affect on everything that followed. I just don't see that with Rush.
I know ya'll probably think I'm nuts. But it's my truth.
Rock on!
poppachubby
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OK, things got pretty scrambled up there, obviously I didn't say what I meant, in a way that it could be understood. In fact, I'm not too sure I understand what I was trying to say anymore. :arrow:
Fair enough. I understand your point that rock eventually did become its own thing, but disagree with your timeframe. Rock was little more than loud blues during the time frame you are thinking of. Infact, IMO, rock took a step backwards during that time in terms of originality. Thinking about your point of "morphing" and being its own thing, this happened in a much bigger way during rock's earlier years in the 50's.
Artists like Louis Jordan, Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley constructed something new and fresh which was difficult to pin down. The 60's and 70's surge of groups from England and certainly southern fried American bands like the Allmans were much more formulaic, and closer to the blues.
Now - you can take the fact that they gave it different sonics such as heavy distortion, different time schemes and non-classic vocal patterning - to be "morphed", but its still really apples and apples.
I think the biggest contribution these bands gave to rock was the inclusion of prolific jamming, and certainly guitar sonics and technique. Thinking about Clapton with Cream. Or how about Hendrix? Hendrix is a great example because he actually wasn't just inspired by early rock, but became a part of it playing with guys like Wicked Pickett. So I suppose blanket statements are a bit hasty, there were certainly more than a few originals from that period. I think the guys who you describe as morphing, for my money, would be Bowie, late Beatles, Elton John... the list could certainly go on.
Hendrix backing Buddy And Stacey (rear left)
All that said, the early years had plenty of wild guitar innovators like Johnny "Guitar" Watson and BB King. Check out youtube for Guitar Watson's "Space Guitar" here. Cut during the early 50's, still sounds hot today... now that's rock.
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Mystic
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spideyjack
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Make it Foghat and I'll sign.
i always assumed they were already in, quick get Dave Marsh on the phone STAT!
poppachubby
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Mystic, I thought you'd be down with gettin the Meters in. I sure as hell am...
KrisM
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That big fella in front, wearing a white shirt & lookin' at the camera? He had more "rock" in one of his "pinky" fingers than the entire R&R Hall of Fame roster. ****, he might even be in it for all I know, but I ain't checking.
He's sitting down, and not even playing an instrument, how is that rock'n'roll? What a poseur.
Speaking of RnR, is that Sumlin behind him on the Les Paul?
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captaingamez
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i completely disagree, dr. dre has added more mundane crap to the rap world, he himself is not bad, but the people he produces, the famous ones are garbage, eminem isnt bad either, and i dont hate dre for it, because its all just fueled by public demand, but they have in no way contributed to rock and roll, and rush has definitely inspired a ton of other musicians in the rock genre.
i do not really honestly see how ice cube himself has contributed much to music, nwa has contributed alot to rap, but they also are not rock, so they shouldnt be in the HoF.
I dont know where to stand on gospel blues and jazz, is there really no jazz hall of fame? or blues hall of fame? im just sayin, they obviously contributed very heavily, but they still arent rock.
poppachubby
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I think Billy Joel really said it best in his song Still Rock And Roll To Me. You are thinking about rock in its traditional model. Dr. Dre is a tastemaker in the same vain as Quincy Jones, Phil Spector, etc, etc. I will tell you that Chuck D is more of a rock rebel than many supposed "rockers". I suppose it's a matter of opinion. One thing is for sure, anytime I pass the local modern rock station I am appalled at what passes for rock these days - being played by four guys with guitars and drums.
As for gospel, jazz and blues - of course they have their own halls. In many ways, they aren't interested in being in the RNRHOF. I'm just not sure why you wouldn't want a piece of rock's heritage to be recognized.
spideyjack
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I disagree. hell, even Rush covered the song Crossroads (it's like a xerox of a xerox of the blues) every time a rock singer grunts "baby" he is kinda nodding in that direction, often unaware, yet nodding still the same.
spideyjack
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Rapidan
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I would have put them in the first year...... "Too regional"? They scored several national top 40 hits, played on countless others, and forged a sound which was not only unique, but still reverberates in music to this day.
And speaking of, is Allen Toussaint in the RRHOF? I'd include him just for writing "It Will Stand", not to mention the thousands of other songs he wrote, arranged, produced, or played piano on. Yet he remains a nearly unknown figure. *edit* - I see that he has been inducted. Good job RRHOF!*
I guess that's why the RRHOF generates so much controversy - It's hard to agree on a definition of terms, much less who meets those terms. I personally wouldn't include Rush, or Yes, or many other "prog" bands, because I don't think of them as rock & roll. But obviously, others would, and well before most of my personal top 100 candidates.
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poppachubby
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Toussaint is a controversial figure all on his own. Another great inductee is Dave Bartholomew, similar to Toussaint as a behind the scenes songwriter and producer.
Ya, I didn't get the regional comment either.
