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Shure M91, M75

HTHMAN said:
Just to shake (or confuse) things up a little, Back in the very late 60's when I bought my Dual, I was offered an M91, M92 or M93 cartridge depending on what I wanted to pay. The retailer said the only differences were the styli. Seemed strange to me that Shure would later introduce anew cartridge with an old model number.
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Well, according to that PDF document, they are indeed all the same... 720 millihenries & 630ohms. So I guess that answered my initial question - they are all identical, except for when they're not :D
 
Trekkie4 said:
Well, according to that PDF document, they are indeed all the same... 720 millihenries & 630ohms. So I guess that answered my initial question - they are all identical, except for when they're not :D
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good thing you didn't ask about an AT body. talk about having 87,655 different names and numbers for the same exact body
 
Bill Ashton said:
Back in the "day," when as a high schooler/ college student, I was exposed to the M75 while working at Radio Schack...our RS-series carts were supposed to be M75's. They sounded nice when compared to the other ceramics the cheapo equipment had, but I never realized how good something other than Shure sounded until I bought an ELAC/Miracord 620 from Tech HiFi...came with an ELAC 244-17 cart...OMG, the Shures were not even in the same league! Running a Sansui 3000 through Beovox 2600 speakers at the time and the difference was SOOO apparent...never looked back since.

I am sure, as I thought before my "awakening," that Shures are a good cart...but still run an ELAC 344 in my Rega and I cannot think of ever changing. Before doing handstands to find "that" stylus, consider there is a whole ocean of possibilities before you ;)
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I had a similar experience. I used Shures for decades. Then I tried the original Sumiko Blue Point in an AR XB and was pleasantly surprised. I have more free cash now and enjoy many brands of cartridges. They certainly sound different.
 
Bill Ashton said:
Back in the "day," when as a high schooler/ college student, I was exposed to the M75 while working at Radio Schack...our RS-series carts were supposed to be M75's. They sounded nice when compared to the other ceramics the cheapo equipment had, but I never realized how good something other than Shure sounded until I bought an ELAC/Miracord 620 from Tech HiFi...came with an ELAC 244-17 cart...OMG, the Shures were not even in the same league! Running a Sansui 3000 through Beovox 2600 speakers at the time and the difference was SOOO apparent...never looked back since.

I am sure, as I thought before my "awakening," that Shures are a good cart...but still run an ELAC 344 in my Rega and I cannot think of ever changing. Before doing handstands to find "that" stylus, consider there is a whole ocean of possibilities before you ;)
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Yeah exactly my experience.I like the Shures just fine and there are decent aftermarket styli available...all good. But if you are able to find original Elac cartridges and styli in good condition which is not easy by any means you´ll notice the difference. I now run Elacs on my Dual 1019 and my Elac 22H and I don´t see myself getting rid of them
 
Placed an order for a generic replacement N91 stylus & black SME headshell. No other technical details are available, other than being a "diamond" (conical?) stylus, which doesn't sound reassuring... But for it's worth, it had good reviews (5 stars) and people seem to like it. Now to come up with Shure cart...

Stay tuned for further updates!
 
Considering how popular M91ED's were, it's unexpected that they've become scarce. I've seen so many mounted on turntables, I came to wonder if it might not be the best selling cartridge of all time.
 
62vauxhall said:
Considering how popular M91ED's were, it's unexpected that they've become scarce. I've seen so many mounted on turntables, I came to wonder if it might not be the best selling cartridge of all time.
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Indeed... I did a quick search on YouTube last night, hoping to find someone who tried out (and documented) M 75/N 91 combo, but to my surprise ALL the videos turned out to be M75 ED related. On the other hand, those who own M75-6s only paired them with appropriate, N75-6s styli, so once again it didn't get me anywhere. :no:
 
Actually that seller has been trying to flog it for just short of a year on and off,Ive got one already though often Im tempted.
 
That Shure download is very interesting...my first year at RS, we had the M3D, "RS120" and "RS 220" carts. Never knew what the latter two were, here it show them as M31 and M32, not as top-of-the-range as we made them out to be! These were superseded by all the iterations of M75.

Trekkie I understand completely your search for the first GOOD cart you heard, I have done the same thing, sometimes with success, sometimes not. It would be fun to still have my old Realistic (BSR) Lab-6 turntable...I think.
 
Bill Ashton said:
That Shure download is very interesting...my first year at RS, we had the M3D, "RS120" and "RS 220" carts. Never knew what the latter two were, here it show them as M31 and M32, not as top-of-the-range as we made them out to be! These were superseded by all the iterations of M75.

Trekkie I understand completely your search for the first GOOD cart you heard, I have done the same thing, sometimes with success, sometimes not. It would be fun to still have my old Realistic (BSR) Lab-6 turntable...I think.
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Shure M91 GD wasn't just the first /good/ cart, it was literally the very first cart I used, and remembered ;)

The fact that it sounds amazing is of course a huge plus, and TBH it kinda spoiled me down the road, because it set my "standards" for the future. So nowdays, whenever I listen to a certain cart, or compare it with some other model, I always have M91 & M94 in my mind. Which is probably the reason why I dislike AT-95E, from all the 4 carts in my collection, bright-sounding AT95 is the least similar to Shure!
 
Bill Ashton said:
Doesn't look like the first one has anything at the end of the cantlever! "Vintage stylus" indeed :rolleyes:
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There is no tip. Just a broken off cantilever. I am confused...is there something special about these ? Why are they hard to get ? The location of the OP ?
 
johnjhazel said:
There is no tip. Just a broken off cantilever. I am confused...is there something special about these ? Why are they hard to get ? The location of the OP ?
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Yup, that's about it really... The real (and only issue) is availability of Shure M91 ED, GD carts... Not the styli, just the carts alone.

As for the ebay link, I believe they miswrote it. I'm guessing they meant (and are actually selling) cartridge, and not the broken stylus. But then again who knows? *shrug*
 
Trekkie4 said:
Yup, that's about it really... The real (and only issue) is availability of Shure M91 ED, GD carts... Not the styli, just the carts alone.

As for the ebay link, I believe they miswrote it. I'm guessing they meant (and are actually selling) cartridge, and not the broken stylus. But then again who knows? *shrug*
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My preferred stereo dealer here has a box full of used Shure cartridges. I guess most dealers do. Glad I live here in the States !
 
johnjhazel said:
My preferred stereo dealer here has a box full of used Shure cartridges. I guess most dealers do. Glad I live here in the States !
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These older carts were manufactured (and mainly sold) in the States, so it makes perfect sense. It would also make sense to import one or two into Europe, if it wasn't for all the additional fees, associated with transport & customs.
 
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