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Shure M91, M75

Hmm, gotta stylus less Stanton 680 lying around. Maybe should get her up and running. How do you think it compares with my M75? Improvement?
 
T68 said:
Hmm, gotta stylus less Stanton 680 lying around. Maybe should get her up and running. How do you think it compares with my M75? Improvement?
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I'm not a pro on this subject, but from my personal experience I'd say that it all comes down to your choice of stylus. Especially since both carts had a huge variety of styli available, so either one could perform better over the other one *shrug*

Here, let's take Stanton 680EL as an example:
FREQUENCY RESPONSE : 20 Hz to 18 kHz
OUTPUT: 0.82 mV/cm/sec. ±2 dB
CHANNEL SEPARATION:' 30 dB
LOAD RESISTANCE: 47,000 ohms
LOAD CAPACITANCE: 275 pF
DC RESISTANCE: 1,300 ohms appro• .
INDUCTANCE: 930 mH appro• .
CHANNEL BALANCE: Within 2 dB
STYLUS TIP: 0.4 • 0.7 mil Ellipllcal Diamond
TRACKING FORCE: 2 to 5 grams

vs Shure M75 ED/T2:
FREQUENCY RESPONSE : 20 Hz to 20 kHz
CHANNEL SEPARATION:' 25 dB
LOAD RESISTANCE: 47,000 ohms
LOAD CAPACITANCE: 400-500 pF
DC RESISTANCE: 630 ohms
INDUCTANCE: 720 mH .
CHANNEL BALANCE: Within 2 dB
STYLUS TIP: 0.2 • 0.7 mil Ellipllcal Diamond
TRACKING FORCE: 0.75 to 1.5 grams

Which one of these is going to sound better is entirely up to your ears... :dunno:
 
T68 said:
Hmm, gotta stylus less Stanton 680 lying around. Maybe should get her up and running. How do you think it compares with my M75? Improvement?
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There are too many variables at play to say that one is definitely better than the other. As @Trekkie4 stated, it will primarily come down to which stylus is installed on either, and to personal preference. Both of these cartridge families still have very large followings today despite all the later and greater offerings from other manufacturers.
 
GerardG said:
We do have our favourites. I've never heard an ADC sing but if I ever find one for reasonable cost I'll try it.

Gerard
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I have two ADC's ...the first is a Model 230XE, affectionately referred to as 'bricks' because of their appearance.....I think mid/late 60's. I know Jico still makes killer stili for them.
The other one i have is one of my favourites, it's the ADC XLM Improved MK II .
Audio Dynamics Corporation(ADC) like Shure, rocked the block for a heckuva long time. As soon as I can figure out how to get my photos to upload here, i will post you some photos.
I have another active thread regarding an Audio Technica cart/stylus, that I bought at a yardsale, that I can't figure out the specs or history on. Tried posting photos of it 4/5 times....just not happening.
 
Trekkie4 said:
Don't know what's the situation like over in Canada, but around here you can find Stantons 500 from time to time. They're somewhat rare, true - but regularly pop out every once in a while & for reasonable price... Especially when you least expect to find one lol. Most of them are sold with Thorens turntables however.
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I could have bought one for a very reasonable price from a vendor who had several of them but I'd just bought several other cartridges and styli and decided I'd reached my limit. When I looked again the source had sold out and other vendors were asking a far higher price. But, I will should I see one reasonably priced.

Gerard
 
TnSquatch said:
I have two ADC's ...the first is a Model 230XE, affectionately referred to as 'bricks' because of their appearance.....I think mid/late 60's. I know Jico still makes killer stili for them.
The other one i have is one of my favourites, it's the ADC XLM Improved MK II .
Audio Dynamics Corporation(ADC) like Shure, rocked the block for a heckuva long time. As soon as I can figure out how to get my photos to upload here, i will post you some photos.
I have another active thread regarding an Audio Technica cart/stylus, that I bought at a yardsale, that I can't figure out the specs or history on. Tried posting photos of it 4/5 times....just not happening.
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I'd really like to see them. But I know how technology can be frustrating.

Gerard
 
TnSquatch said:
I have another active thread regarding an Audio Technica cart/stylus, that I bought at a yardsale, that I can't figure out the specs or history on. Tried posting photos of it 4/5 times....just not happening.
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Just use Use PostImages.org or Imagebam.com... I always use external image host for my pics - not only it's easier, but it allows EVERYONE to see your pics, including the forum guests. Where on the other hand, uploading pics to AK will make them available exclusively to AK registered members.
 
Trekkie4 said:
There is a personal reason why I'm after M91, conical GD in particular with red stylus... It was the very 1st cart/stylus I've experienced, on our turntable. Even today, when I think of a turntable, I literally think of "Shure", M91 in particular.

Of course, I've had other carts since then ... Shure M94E, Shure M94 with aftermarket N 99E stylus, AT 95E (which I can't stand), AT 3600L (which I absolutely adore) and last but not least M 75B Type2, fitted with Jico N 75ED/Type2, which immediately became my favorite, as soon as I heard it for the 1st time. It was a random & totally unexpected surprise, I found the cart while searching for M91 about a year ago. Been trying out other carts & styli since then, and I also got to experience, try out Stanton 500E (1st gen), but in the end I keep going back to M75, it sounds too good to be true, for the money I spent... ;)

@mythless Sorry, your post got lost between all the other ones... I find this interesting indeed! This would probably help explain a thing or two. But if that's the case, then how come they all use the same coils?
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Shure M91 GD styli are very rare. Rarely ever bought by many, even in the USA. Same goes for the V15 Type II, III, and IV conical options. Most bought them with the fancier styli. I liked the GD styli and the conical offerings even when these could be bought new. The M75 is much more common in Europe, due to being commonly fitted on many a better to posh UK made Unit Audio system, radiogram, and also factory fitted or commonly bought on many a turntable, as it was a popular budget favourite. Even BBC Local Radio used the M75-6 on the air, and some of the Independent Local Radio stations.
 
KentTeffeteller said:
Shure M91 GD styli are very rare. Rarely ever bought by many, even in the USA. Same goes for the V15 Type II, III, and IV conical options. Most bought them with the fancier styli. I liked the GD styli and the conical offerings even when these could be bought new. The M75 is much more common in Europe, due to being commonly fitted on many a better to posh UK made Unit Audio system, radiogram, and also factory fitted or commonly bought on many a turntable, as it was a popular budget favourite. Even BBC Local Radio used the M75-6 on the air, and some of the Independent Local Radio stations.
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You're absolutely right... I was trying to find "GD" stylus, to fit into M91 cart but none of the models I found were "GD", or even red for that matter. The most common is beige, yellow "ED" one... That goes for both original & replacement styli, where on the other hand its easily-obtainable conical counterpart turned out to be gray "G", from the picture already posted in this thread.

And I like it ... True, it wasn't the model I was looking for - "GD" is more compliant and has thinner, bouncier cantilever (I'm guessing just like M75 ED /T2) but it is actually a more suitable, accurate match for my medium-mass tonearm of AT-LP120. Maybe I'll place an order for "GD" stylus down the road, I'm sure I could grab one from Thakker, but as I already pointed out, there are moments when "M91G" sounds better & more impressive than elliptical M75 ED - primarily due to shape & wear (and contamination) of my LPs :)

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It's been exactly two months now, since I bought, imported M91 ED cart from ebay... Other than for testing purposes on one or two occasions, when I needed to compare the cart against M75, I didn't have any reasons to remove it from the tonearm. In fact, I would have to say that M91 is here to stay for quite some time! :cool: Now if only I can get those damn hex M2.5 screws... I placed an order for those long time ago, but my order never arrived (even got refund).
 
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I just purchased a vintage Shure M75-6S . Does this cart mount like the regular standard mount.? I'm reading clip on here. What does that mean. No need for mounting bolts?

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Angry Possum said:
I just purchased a vintage Shure M75-6S . Does this cart mount like the regular standard mount.? I'm reading clip on here. What does that mean. No need for mounting bolts?

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It mounts with standard hardware. You may need to adjust tonearm VTA or put a shim between the cart and headshell as it's a pretty low profile cart compared to the plastic bodied ones.
 
percivilla said:
It mounts with standard hardware. You may need to adjust tonearm VTA or put a shim between the cart and headshell as it's a pretty low profile cart compared to the plastic bodied ones.
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Angry Possum said:
I just purchased a vintage Shure M75-6S . Does this cart mount like the regular standard mount.? I'm reading clip on here. What does that mean. No need for mounting bolts?

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Hey Angry Possum ~
Just as Percivilla said, you’re going to have to bolt it on to your tone arm sled. These old Shure carts used that shiny silver colored clip simply to hold the cart for mounting purposes.
I use only Dual tt’s, & if that’s what you’re mounting your cartridge to, one of their cartridge gauges will quickly & effortlessly get you a perfect alignment.
Best of luck.
 
TnSquatch said:
Hey Angry Possum ~
Just as Percivilla said, you’re going to have to bolt it on to your tone arm sled. These old Shure carts used that shiny silver colored clip simply to hold the cart for mounting purposes.
I use only Dual tt’s, & if that’s what you’re mounting your cartridge to, one of their cartridge gauges will quickly & effortlessly get you a perfect alignment.
Best of luck.
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Can I mount
TnSquatch said:
Hey Angry Possum ~
Just as Percivilla said, you’re going to have to bolt it on to your tone arm sled. These old Shure carts used that shiny silver colored clip simply to hold the cart for mounting purposes.
I use only Dual tt’s, & if that’s what you’re mounting your cartridge to, one of their cartridge gauges will quickly & effortlessly get you a perfect alignment.
Best of luck.
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Can you show me a photo of what or how I need to properly mount this old cart. I do have blank headshells, will that work? I don't understand sorry.
 
Angry Possum said:
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Can you show me a photo of what or how I need to properly mount this old cart. I do have blank headshells, will that work? I don't understand sorry.
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The cartridge carrier/sled is what you mount your cartridge to & then it locks onto your tone arm. What kind of turntable are you trying to mount this Shure cartridge to?
 
You can just mount it as is. No need to take the cartridge out of the clip, but if you do, make sure you clip it back in exactly as in the photo. The trick is to hook it under that little tab in the back first, and then swivel it until the front of the clip grabs the little "nub". All too often people install these incorrectly, with the back of the cartridge not properly engaged.
 
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