So who all on here thinks these are Cheap Speaker's?

[Copa1934]

Buy the way the Sansui SP-5000 are crappy everyone. :scratch2:

Don't listen to my praise I would prefer not having to fight over my next set.:sigh:

LOL. In my line of work I run into brand bigotry all the time, mostly against one brand that has been the top selling brand for over 150 years. Yes you read that correctly. Anyway, I would query what model of said brand they had and roughly 75% or more had NEVER owned that brand at all. They simply went based on opinions of others. Often strong and convincing. And of the people who OWN the brand? Better than 80% are totally pleased and would never consider trading for something else. The other 20%? Had they come to be to have their product checked and serviced by me, likely over half would still be using them. I'd go so far as to say 80%. I tell people I was trained by the best, my father. He was in the business over 50 years. Old school.

I hear the same thing about my Mach One speakers, and my Bose 901. Most of us go by ear and common sense. Hype is for people who want bragging rights and nothing more.

The OP, to me, sounds like they need reassurance they own the correct speakers. I don't see how we can help with that. I had three pairs of Mach One. I'm down to one functional pair and another set awaiting restoration (of sorts). But I'll likely be down to one pair as there ARE other speakers that perform better for some types of music I listen to. But the Mach One still hold their own. Some day QLS1. I'll just keep dreaming, while enjoying what I do have.

 

[dhanson64]

So what if there cheap and crappy who cairs but you?

I have a cheap and crappy set of Sansui's SP-5000's well at least what the majority think here. Truth be told the majority excuse me very few ever even heard these speakers in there life. Let alone heard them with what i'm putting in them. There an awesome speaker and if ever I can find another set I'll jump on them. But the trouble is the rarity you never see them.

I bought a pair of JBL L250s that everyone loves. Ya they sound good and I used them about a month. They just didn't have that full sound the SP-5000 do at least with my system. My system is bad ass by the way.

Anyway my cheap crappy speakers are back in place helping the JBLs out. To be fair lets say the L250 need 400w and Im just shy. I might get a power amp to do the job but don't think it will ever get them to the Sansui's in my system.

At this point if I had to get rid of a set it would be the JBLs. But for now there side by side. And Im happy again.

Hi thanks for your comments!! I couldn't agree more with ya because I originaly bought my Ar9's off reputaion etc.and like your 250's there very good speaker's if I run 400/500 watts into them. It cost a lot of money to get amps that would do the 9's Justis. 200watts just don't cut it with them. My dlk are Very efficient and SAE 2400 at 200watts @ 8ohms sounds like 800watt. An they have way better bottom end extension then my Ar9's or Jbl 200's. Your right run quality gear through avg to decent speaker's and they sound great.

 

[Lavane]

Hey,4-2-7,I've seen and heard those sansui speakers. And others like them, along with the other"over driver driven" speakers by pioneer. I lived next to an air base or many years. The airmen hauled a lot of that stuff home. The sp-5000's sounded better than a lot of the over stuffed pioneers of that time. :thmbsp:

 

[jbrainey]

Hi thanks for your comments!! I couldn't agree more with ya because I originaly bought my Ar9's off reputaion etc.and like your 250's there very good speaker's if I run 400/500 watts into them. It cost a lot of money to get amps that would do the 9's Justis. 200watts just don't cut it with them. My dlk are Very efficient and SAE 2400 at 200watts @ 8ohms sounds like 800watt. An they have way better bottom end extension then my Ar9's or Jbl 200's. Your right run quality gear through avg to decent speaker's and they sound great.

Something is seriously wrong if you need "400/500 watts" to make a speaker sound good. You sure you're not just blowing smoke now? :scratch2:

 

[dhanson64]

LOL. In my line of work I run into brand bigotry all the time, mostly against one brand that has been the top selling brand for over 150 years. Yes you read that correctly. Anyway, I would query what model of said brand they had and roughly 75% or more had NEVER owned that brand at all. They simply went based on opinions of others. Often strong and convincing. And of the people who OWN the brand? Better than 80% are totally pleased and would never consider trading for something else. The other 20%? Had they come to be to have their product checked and serviced by me, likely over half would still be using them. I'd go so far as to say 80%. I tell people I was trained by the best, my father. He was in the business over 50 years. Old school.

I hear the same thing about my Mach One speakers, and my Bose 901. Most of us go by ear and common sense. Hype is for people who want bragging rights and nothing more.

The OP, to me, sounds like they need reassurance they own the correct speakers. I don't see how we can help with that. I had three pairs of Mach One. I'm down to one functional pair and another set awaiting restoration (of sorts). But I'll likely be down to one pair as there ARE other speakers that perform better for some types of music I listen to. But the Mach One still hold their own. Some day QLS1. I'll just keep dreaming, while enjoying what I do have.

now that's funny ! na I don't need reassurance I know what I own an how good or bad it is.It's really just a simple question, what do ya think what's your oppinon . I know these are rare speaker's buts there's plenty on info out there for people to come to some kind of basic conclusion are they cheap or low cost speaker's ? Apparently some do think so and that's OK. Bose 901's get some flack it seams but I do like them, I hav 4 901's series 3 an 4's all stack an hooked up to my Sansui 9090 sounds pretty darn good. I like it loud.

 

[dhanson64]

Something is seriously wrong if you need "400/500 watts" to make a speaker sound good. You sure your not just blowing smoke now? :scratch2:

no smoke I had my Ar 9's hook up to my SAE 2400 amp it's 200 watts rms @ 8 ohms and around 300 @ 4ohms and when cranked to the max all the woffers were barley moving, now it was loud but not the bass performance I was looking for because they just soak up the power like nothing, and if the amp is pushed so hard at like 2ohm drops an starts clipping there gose your tweets. So I got bigger amps for my Ar's so they sound the way I like. I run bridge Adcom 5802 and I'm telling you The 9's can take tons of Clean power. But that is the key here Clean power start clipping and pop gose the exspenssive tweeters.

 

[TerryO]

If you know how they sound and don't need affirmation, why are you asking? Sure seems like an oversized Troll to me. I don't know how your speakers sound to you, but I'd gut the cabinets and use them to store Potatos for the Winter.

 

[dhanson64]

Something is seriously wrong if you need "400/500 watts" to make a speaker sound good. You sure your not just blowing smoke now? :scratch2:

Sure The Ar 9's are 4ohm speakers. If you have a quality amp that's rated at say 200 watts RMS @ 8 ohms it's puting out over 300 watts into 4 ohms. Now that's not enough power to give me the bass punch I like from those speakers becuse they are not very efficient an with that set up my Ar9's sound kind of tinny to much treble a little harsh because these speakers suck the life out of the amp. So I stepped up and bought a few Adcom 5802's there rated at 300 watts RMS @ 8. Ohms an 450 to 500 @ 4ohms. Bridged there like 600 watts a channel. It's better to have resever power then it is to starve your speakers clip and chance damage. Good clean power is what you need for Ar's to really show n strut there stuff.

 

[nickrobotron]

Holy CRAP. He's asking about the speakers. Not everyone's perception on his reasoning behind the question!

If you don't have an opinion on the speakers, why are you wasting your time?!

What the #$%@ has gotten into this place?

I am actually following this thread hoping to learn more about the speakers. Instead I just get a bunch of comments from wannabe moderators.

Even if the owner of these speakers is looking for reassurance, so what? I like to own respectable gear too. I have had several pieces in the past that I absolutely loved and was curious if other people felt the same way. I would have probably folded here at AK if everyone treated me that way.

To the OP: How do they sound next to other speakers you've owned?

 

[dhanson64]

If you know how they sound and don't need affirmation, why are you asking? Sure seems like an oversized Troll to me. I don't know how your speakers sound to you, but I'd gut the cabinets and use them to store Potatos for the Winter.

hi thanks for your comment I'm glad you feel the need to express it. I appericate your honesty.

 

[4-2-7]

Something is seriously wrong if you need "400/500 watts" to make a speaker sound good. You sure your not just blowing smoke now? :scratch2:

I wouldn't say so, Im pushing 380w of tube power into my 90w Sansui tube speakers. When I had one MC 275 driving both speakers in stereo they were no way like they are now.

Now running two MC 275s in parallel mono those speakers will knock the wind out of you, thumping bass on your chest. You and your hearing at 8 feet away give up befor the speakers do. There a whole different animal so I concur with his statement.

All speakers have their optimum power input. You get the right combination and you will be in heaven. Im not talking math here or speaker ratings that will always be low/conservative. If you drive it right you will not need a sub.

Oh Im not talking little book shelves with 6" woofers here. Old school big ass floor speakers when watts were watts.

 

[4-2-7]

If you know how they sound and don't need affirmation, why are you asking? Sure seems like an oversized Troll to me. I don't know how your speakers sound to you, but I'd gut the cabinets and use them to store Potatos for the Winter.

So you're the troll now? You didn't need to make a comment like that. What kind of junk are you listening to?

 

[old 2080]

realistic always seams to get a bad rap, but that seams to be changing, like copa, i really like my mach one's, and even better with my t-100's together, i own many sets of speakers, but still like my shack set up the best, i'll be starting my resto on my t-200's soon, been wanting to find out how well they'll preform, getting back to the thread, it comes down to, if you like what you have, stay with it, if you get a great deal on some different speakers, buy them, try them and if you don't like them, sell them..........:yes:

 

[westend]

I wouldn't say so, Im pushing 380w of tube power into my 90w Sansui tube speakers. When I had one MC 275 driving both speakers in stereo they were no way like they are now.

Now running two MC 275s in parallel mono those speakers will knock the wind out of you, thumping bass on your chest. You and your hearing at 8 feet away give up befor the speakers do. There a whole different animal so I concur with his statement.

All speakers have their optimum power input. You get the right combination and you will be in heaven. Im not talking math here or speaker ratings that will always be low/conservative. If you drive it right you will not need a sub.

Oh Im not talking little book shelves with 6" woofers here. Old school big ass floor speakers when watts were watts.

What type of Sansui speaker is it you have?

 

[Soundminded]

Looks like DLK model 4. Here's a pair on sale for $600

http://for-sale.yakaz.com/dlk-speakers-sale#lo=4&docid=000e3f8irtsenu1s

The tops are "simulated" marble.

Might have cost around $1000 new??? What do you consider expensive?

I only paid $500 for my AR9s. They were floor demos being sold off when Sam Goody was being sold off to Musicland USA in Minnesota in 1984. List ran about $1400, to $1800. I think it was Tom on CSP said it if they were manufactured today they'd cost $10,000. I called McIntosh's repair department in the mid 1990s about refoaming my ML-1C speakers. We got to talking and they told me if they had to build it then, the injection molded plastic front grill assembly by itself would cost more than the whole speaker system did when it was sold. So what is cheap? what is expensive? I think at the moment someone has a pair of speakers they make in sold gold enclosures for $6 million. Probably don't sound very good.

 

[electronjohn]

DLK 4s were not cheap when new, and in most cases, not cheap now...for good reason. Essentially they were built to order, and, like all of Don Kliewer's designs, painstaking attention was paid to the crossover network. Outstanding speakers & well-worth preserving. In fact, I don't know if DLK ever made a BAD speaker...even the little 1/4s were good at what they did. 1 1/2s remain my faves...I installed quite a few pairs as studio monitors at various radio stations & the jocks LOVED them. (Being able to save cash by trading them out at Schaak helped, too)

 

[BMWCCA]

Is there an award for "Worst Grammar and Spelling" in a thread?

I'd like to nominate this one!

 

[bowtie427ss]

Question of value, wrong forum.

 

[donprice]

What the #$%@ has gotten into this place?

I am actually following this thread hoping to learn more about the speakers.

Can someone tell us about the drivers? Are those beefy pro-style woofers or light-weight?

Real-wood cabs or good lookin' vinyl?

I doubt I'll run across these at a yard sale but you never know.

Thanks!

 

[electronjohn]

Oh, that's real wood all right. 4s were available on custom order in Rosewood...gorgeous.