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Stylus Microscopes

Interesting discussion. And I agree with Nat in that multiple low priced carts ($100-200)offer a greater satisfaction, rather than worry about the wear on the high end cart. Give them a good run and then replace the stylus/cart. For me, the reason scoping a stylus for wear is so appealing is I seem to always question mounting and if there is a mis-alignment to correct, not so much..."has this stylus reached the end of it's life" yet the end result is probably the same...

I recently picked up an Intel Play 200x scope to see if I can have some fun with it and can already see that I will need to experiment with additional brightfield tweaks if it's going to help, but I am ready to give it to my 5 year old to look at bugs and leaves if it does not.
 
HI roto,
I have no problem with how you decide to spend your money and enjoy your audio hobby. But I must tell you that the best upgrade you can make to your analog system is to buy a great cartridge. Do not kid yourself.

Sparky
 
I am that paradoxical non-sequitor, a hearing-impaired audiophile with a definite appreciation for the "Good Stuff" which I can ill-afford. I am hyper-sensitive to factors that impede or mask intelligibility, I.E detailing, transparency, and resolution. I am less sensitive to other HF distortions/anamolies that do not, where my hearing loss resides. I do the best I can with what tools and gear are available to me. Sparky, your gear is to die for! Which pick-ups do you use?
My present set-up is a stocker Denon DP-55K TT with self-applied anti-resonance mod'ed Souther SLA-3 carrying the forementioned O'fon MC-3 Turbo feeding a self-built tube RIAA front end and thence thru a C-J Motif MC9 minimalist line control into a Dave Belles designed OCM Soloist 200 FET power amp to Fuselier Model 5 3-way 5-driver time-and-phase-aligned towers. ICs are various home-brew efforts and I am presently re-voicing the system with IC adjustments due to the recent changes of addition of the C-J and being fitted for a hearing assist device to help comp the lack of HF sensitivity. Digital media disc source is Cambridge Audio 540D player. Tuner is SAE T6-TWO, based on a Sanyo chipset. Adequate for all but the best sources which are locally unavailable.
Resolution of the system is pretty decent and I'm still working on it's neutrality.

I found that a 10x loupe can show the sparkle off the flats of an ever-so-slightly but audibly worn stylus tip in direct strong light and that is more than sufficient for visual confirmation, if required. My stereoscopic far-field microscope went to my watch technician who uses it much more than I ever did.
S.B.
 
HI pio,
Pickups? Ah, good question. First, I have used nothing but low output line contact MC's since 1975. I have been through many brands including Koetsu, Monster (four of these, different models), Accuphase, Dynavector, and recently, Clearaudio. The Koetsu Black was least expensive and also my least favorite. Great mid-range, though. I loved the Monster Alpha Genesis 1000 (two of them) and the Monster Sigma Genesis 2000 (two of them, one still on my ET-2 arm). My favorite is the Clearaudio Discovery, currently on my second turntable and, by no coincidence, the most expensive.

I feel that one must spend at least $1000 to get into the cartridge high end. It's amazing how price correlates to quality with cartridges.

Pio, I must tell you that a 10X loupe is fools gold.

I know some folks will disagree with me. But, I ask, have you been in the high end? Are you qualified to disagree?

Sparky
 
I was an unmarried and unencumbered career Army Sgt with some disposable income back in the 70s and 80s and by the early 80s it was obvious that "High End" was getting way beyond my financial depth, so I sampled other folks systems and salon systems to get and maintain some perspective. The cost of high-end carts never made economical sense for me when divided by the ca 60-100 hrs of prime tip service life audible to me. They also flunked the 10 power loupe sparkle test by that time. I was using lo-mass MA 2002 electret carts eliptical and Shibada tipped, in various good arms at the time I discovered and determined why I was soon unhappy with the sonic recovery of the playback. I was using some good arms at the time, SME 3009 Mk-#something-or-other, Inf BW both versions, ect. Yes I know how to set up arms & the theoretical requirements of precision analogue mechanical playback, it is very exacting at best. The wear life pretty much followed thru Grados and other carts.

There has to be a point that is at least tolerable to quit fiddling, get off the merry-go-round of component swapping, and just be able to forget the tecnicals and enjoy the content of the media. Given that my means have severely contracted and I'm slowly going deaf, I am working with what is affordable for me now, what works for me now, and what will be worth keeping while enjoyment is still possible. I am gratified that the cutting-edge SOTA level exists as the ultimate standard, I would seriously love to own the parity system I consult in B'ham based on Focal Utopias driven by Boulder electronics, but that is a $100k+ system that in no way would work well where I live at present, given it's mass, "staging", and power consumption. That is "High-End", as is your superb and well sorted system. Mine is merely competent re resolution, transparency, and naturalness. I can live with competent, tho' I appreciate and love "high End" sound".
S.B.


Re the 10X loupe, it's the flash off the flat that is observable, not the flat itself.
 
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I am very strongly in the tangential arm camp. I also think they sound better. Furthermore, the symmetrical wear pattern results in a stylus that can withstand more use before it must be replaced. This is good.

I used a Rabco SL-8 (1st model) from 1971 to about 1984 (and still have it). Great performance and stylus life, as you say, but I eventually began hearing faint motor electrical noise in the headphones, whenever the arm was being driven. It sounded like worn or dirty rotor brushes to me. I checked grounding and shielding, and rerouted the signal wires inside the SL-8, but to no avail. I was never able to eliminate/isolate the noise from the signal.

At the time, replacing the motor seemed like it would be costly and nearly impossible to find. It's a highly precision swiss-made motor with built-in gear reduction. It was a marvel of miniature engineering at that time, and probably a by-product of the space race. The motor was certainly the most expensive part of the SL-8, which otherwise looked like something I might build in the shop using off-hand parts--not that that's a bad thing. It made it pretty easy to work on, and besides, it did look pretty cool.

The Rabco had other issues. The platinum whisker contacts would sometimes foul mid-record, causing the horizontal tracking angle to increase until the reject contact was reached. Then the arm would pop up before the end of the side. In order to minimize the electrical noise within the tonearm, The votages were all under 1.3 volts DC, which is the underlying cause of the problem. Not enough EMF to overcome contact resistance.

This problem manifested itself all too often when I had a roommate who smoked. Swabbing the platinum cat-whiskers with alcohol was a major nuisance and I always feared damaging/deforming those delicate whisker wire contacts in the process. Using a spray cleaner like freon (all we had then) or today's Dioxit would have been messy and potentially damaging. Not good on a Thorens TD125 with a walnut arm-board and plinth.

The SL-8 arm/wand did not permit quick and easy changing of the cartridge, and I prefer to play worn and noisy records with a cheap .7 mil ball tip, to spare the wear on my more expensive styli. I now have a half dozen carts mounted in universal headshells, and love the flexibility and fun that these provide with my offset arm.

A Rabco arm modified to use the universal shells would seem to be the best of both worlds, but one must bear in mind that tangentials are more complicated and prone to problems of their own, as my SL-8 demonstrated. The newer straight-line tracking turntables all tend to develop problems, and tend to be very hard to service. Remember the KISS principle.*

Karma16, You are entirely correct about stylus wear, anti-skate bias, and the microscope as a diagnostic tool. And I concur that it's not possible to perfectly compensate for skating. The skating force is significantly affected by groove modulation (loud-soft), vinyl formulation (soft-hard), stylus geometry, degree of stylus polish and wear, and the changing speed of the disc as seen by the stylus, at any point on its radius. The friction of the offset arm's horizontal bearing complicates matters even further and there are still other forces at play such as resonance, which nobody fully understands, and which render bias correction little more than a guessing game. Nonetheless, the offset arm is capable of making very sweet music. It may not be perfect, but as most of us know, a good arm on a good deck can outperform CDs.

Using a blank disc or blank band to set the bias is not very effective. One quick check is to tap on the top of the deck while a record is being played. If the stylus skips to the next groove in, apply more correction, if it skips backward, apply less. With some decks, a sledgehammer blow may be needed, but I don't recommend it. :nono:

A better method is to play a mono disc that exhibits tracing distortion. Play it in stereo mode and listen for distortion in one channel or the other, and adjust so the arm leans more toward the distorted channel (on a stereo disc, the left channel is encoded on the inner groove wall). Bias correction is optimal (at least at that instant) when the distortion is least or exhibits the same intensity in both channels. High quality headphones and an experienced ear are a must however, and without them, the blank band method offers at least a reasonable first approximation.

The more contact the stylus maintains with the groove wall, the harder it becomes to determine the amount of skating compensation needed. But generally, the line-contact and hyperbolic styli generate less skating at a given VTF, and so require less compensation. The skating force generated by such a stylus tends to increase as the diamond wears, and may eventually exceed the skating of a new elliptical. This is actually true of any stylus. When the wear becomes really egregious, the skating force may even promote groove skipping.

My last use of a stylus microscope (at an audio salon) to examine my own numerous styli indicated that I tend to overcompensate for skating. So, now I try to use less compensation than before. Without the microscope, I'd never have known. How much will it help? Perhaps not a lot, but no harm in trying.

I seem to hear stylus wear within a hundred hours of installing a new stylus. It's slight and not often present at first, but it's there. I've also read that the major record labels would change diamond styli on their QA equipment every 40 hours or so to ensure they were hearing a worn stamper, rather than a worn stylus. When one considers that the typical stylus is still not fully broken in by that point, it seems that one can never have ideal vinyl playback. It's not a perfect world, so we live with it.

I have a lot of retired styli that have seen only two or three hundred hours play. And contrary to what I've heard on the forums, line contact styli (SAS, micro-ridge, hyper-elliptical, et al.) wear just as fast as ellipticals, despite their lower pressure on the groove wall. I suspect it takes less actual wear of the exotic's diamond side wall before it becomes noticeable/objectionable. This may be in part because of the extremely revealing nature of such styli, but also because it simply takes less diamond wear for the exotic profile to become deformed enough to cause mistracing. And let's keep in mind that as more groove area comes in contact with the stylus, the more impurities and anomalies the stylus will be subjected to, which often results in more noise, although there may be some averaging going on.

Regardless, it seems that the more extreme the geometry, the more susceptible it becomes to wear, which is mitigated by the reduced friction at the larger area of contact, thus the stylus life does seem to be about the same duration or maybe just a little longer for the exotics, but not a lot longer.

So much for those costly styli being more economical. I don't find them so in the real world. I don't have deep pockets, so I save my best styli for the cleanest and finest pressings in my collection. Run-of-the-mill discs get played with the ellipticals and anything with a scratch or grit gets a cheapo spherical.

Don't dismiss spherical/conical tips. A .6 mil ball can sound almost as good as an ovoid on discs with moderate recording velocities, and are more forgiving on a worn or noisy disc. What's more, the spherical tip will be easy on the vinyl, even at a VTF of 2 grams, at which correct anti-skating becomes much less significant.

The cost of a Jico SAS will buy a dozen ball tips. The Ed Saunders "Red Ed" cart made by Audio-Technica, is a very nice spherical cart which at this time is available for a measly $16. Replacement .6 mil ball tips for it are $9.95, a 3-mil 78 tip is $12.95 and the elliptical tip for it is just $19.95. It's a decent cart for your not-so-perfect pressings. See it here: http://www.edsaunders.com/reded.htm
And an extensive review here: http://www.edsaunders.com/rededreview.htm

Alas, I fear this post is way too long. Ciao.

*KISS: keep it simple, stupid.
 
HI All,
I decided to delete this entry because I wanted it to become a post.

PIO, I'm sorry to this to you since you had already responded to this post. I couldn't get back to delete in time. For those wondering what PIO is talking about, refer to the Post "My Stylus Microscope Story".

Again PIO, I apologize.

Sparky
 
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Those like myself that were, or came into, the "better" end of audio in the 1970s were very fortunate to be in on the Golden Age of vinyl analogue. Great times!!
 
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