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SX-680 Restoration Troubles

I though you had a glowing bulb:
Update: I'm also noticing that the dbt isn't lighting up as brightly now. The only changes I've done were reinstalling the two transistors I pulled and disconnected all external inputs and speaker wires. :dunno: The meters are still maxing out at over the 30W range.
Did you mean it just didn't flash as bright, but still went dark after the power supply caps charging caused it to flash?
 
I did have the problem of the bulb glowing before. I'm not sure what happened to that particular issue. At first, it was dimly lit, then barely lit. Now it just shows the initial flash with the charging caps.
 
OK, I thought a glowing bulb was part of the problem we were working on.
Do you have some resistors like I described to put in place of the STKs?
 
OK, I thought a glowing bulb was part of the problem we were working on.
Do you have some resistors like I described to put in place of the STKs?
I don't have any spares, but I do have a few other amps that I could borrow them from tomorrow. It's 1:15am here and I've got an 'online' corporate finance class tomorrow morning (a very different field of study to say the least)... Thanks again for the help! In helping the inexperienced, you're carrying this field into the future -- Hopefully a few more amps will be brought to life!
 
It should look kinda like this, but this picture is an SX-780.


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Resistors are installed on the back of the board. DBT is dark and meters at 0 when powered on. I looked at the Ebay listing and it's a US seller who claims the parts are original Sanyo...
 

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Resistors are installed on the back of the board.
OK, power up, first on dbt to be sure the bulb goes dark. If it does, power up without the dbt. Meter on dcv. Then clip black lead to ground, measure power supplies with red probe:
+C413, should be +34.5vdc:
-C414, sb -34.5vdc:
Both Modules, pin 9 pad on pcb sb +34.5vdc:
Both Modules, pin 2 pad on pcb sb -34.5vdc:

Check dc offset at pcb pins 48 and 49, sb close to 0vdc:
 
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OK, power up, first on dbt to be sure the bulb goes dark. If it does power up without the dbt. Meter on dcv. Then clip black lead to ground, measure power supplies with red probe:
+C413, should be +34.5vdc:
-C414, sb -34.5vdc:
Both Modules, pin 9 pad on pcb sb +34.5vdc:
Both Modules, pin 2 pad on pcb sb -34.5vdc:

Check dc offset at pcb pins 48 and 49, sb close to 0vdc:
I have to head to work now, but I'll be back around 9:30EST with those readings!
 
OK, power up, first on dbt to be sure the bulb goes dark. If it does, power up without the dbt. Meter on dcv. Then clip black lead to ground, measure power supplies with red probe:
+C413, should be +34.5vdc:
-C414, sb -34.5vdc:
Both Modules, pin 9 pad on pcb sb +34.5vdc:
Both Modules, pin 2 pad on pcb sb -34.5vdc:

Check dc offset at pcb pins 48 and 49, sb close to 0vdc:
Ok, we're back at it :thumbsup:
C413: +35.55vdc
C414: -35.85vdc
DC offset at 48/49: 1.4v

I'm not sure what you mean by "both modules" and "pad". My values are all a bit high, but how tight must these tolerances be? Thanks!
 
Ok, we're back at it :thumbsup:
C413: +35.55vdc
C414: -35.85vdc
DC offset at 48/49: 1.4v

I'm not sure what you mean by "both modules" and "pad". My values are all a bit high, but how tight must these tolerances be? Thanks!
Both modules => each STK is a module, a pad is the name for the little circle of copper at the location where a hole for a component lead is drilled and soldered on a pcb.
OK! Power supplies look good, offset is way off.
For future reference please list each data point individually, even if they are identical measurements, it helps me have clear communications.
The dual transistors are back in?
If so . . .
Measure the dcv at pins 0 and 1 on both module/channels:
Left channel pin 0:
Left channel pin 1:
Right pin 0:
Right pin 1:

EDIT: more text
 
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Both modules => each STK is a module, a pad is the name for the little circle of copper at the location where a hole for a component lead is drilled and soldered on a pcb.
OK! Power supplies look good, offset is way off.
For future reference please list each data point individually, even if they are identical measurements, it helps me have clear communications.
The dual transistors are back in?
If so . . .
Measure the dcv at pins 0 and 1 on both module/channels:
Left channel pin 0:
Left channel pin 1:
Right pin 0:
Right pin 1:

EDIT: more text
Sorry for the confusion, I don't quite know what should be implied yet... To be clear, you're looking for the red lead on 1 & 0 for both modules and the black lead on pin 9 and then again on pin 2? Or am I keeping the black lead on the ground and measuring everything separate? Are the pads for 0/1 between my jumper resistors? I have two clusters of three pads on the pcb for each module. Also, I may have been measuring the DC offset wrong if red and black don't go to pins 48/49 at the same time. If this is the case, pin 48/ground is -8.9mVDC and pin 49/ground is -8.0mVDC.

I apologize for any confusion, this is rather difficult to do over a forum chat!
 
To clarify, are you looking for:
Left 0 red / pin 9 black
Left 1 red / pin 9 black
Right 0 red / pin 9 black
Right 1 red / pin 9 black...
and again for pin 2?
 
When you ground the black lead on the chassis, it is attached to the 0 voltage reference point. Then measure by touching the red lead to the point you want to measure, so you get a dc voltage on the meter relative to your ground reference. If the point is a positive dc voltage you get a positive voltage reading. If it is a negative voltage the meter displays a - sign along with the voltage, this lets you know it is a negative voltage relative to the ground reference. If you are measuring across a component a dc voltage will show as positive if the red lead is on the + side of the component and the black lead is on the negative side of the component. If you swap the leads around on the same component you will get the same voltage, but the polarity is reversed so the meter will show a - sign.
Many reading are taken with the black lead on ground so the meter displays the voltage with the true polarity referred to ground. So . . .
I take written notes when I have a large or difficult troubleshooting process to go through. If the meter shows a positive voltage write it down as + vdc, if it is negative write it down as - vdc. The polarity is just as important as the numerical value for many readings.
Clip Black lead to ground, leave it there for now. Use the red lead to make measurements, one at a time and record each one. The points to measure are on the pads:

Measure the dcv at pins 0 and 1 on both module/channels:
Left channel pin 0:
Left channel pin 1:
Right pin 0:
Right pin 1:

Copy the little chart from my post and paste it into yours, then put the voltage readings you have in your notes for those locations after the :

I am going to attach a copy of my notes from a repair so you can see how I do it. You will develop your own style.
 

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When you ground the black lead on the chassis, it is attached to the 0 voltage reference point. Then measure by touching the red lead to the point you want to measure, so you get a dc voltage on the meter relative to your ground reference. If the point is a positive dc voltage you get a positive voltage reading. If it is a negative voltage the meter displays a - sign along with the voltage, this lets you know it is a negative voltage relative to the ground reference. If you are measuring across a component a dc voltage will show as positive if the red lead is on the + side of the component and the black lead is on the negative side of the component. If you swap the leads around on the same component you will get the same voltage, but the polarity is reversed so the meter will show a - sign.
Many reading are taken with the black lead on ground so the meter displays the voltage with the true polarity referred to ground. So . . .
I take written notes when I have a large or difficult troubleshooting process to go through. If the meter shows a positive voltage write it down as + vdc, if it is negative write it down as - vdc. The polarity is just as important as the numerical value for many readings.
Clip Black lead to ground, leave it there for now. Use the red lead to make measurements, one at a time and record each one. The points to measure are on the pads:

Measure the dcv at pins 0 and 1 on both module/channels:
Left channel pin 0:
Left channel pin 1:
Right pin 0:
Right pin 1:

Copy the little chart from my post and paste it into yours, then put the voltage readings you have in your notes for those locations after the :

I am going to attach a copy of my notes from a repair so you can see how I do it. You will develop your own style.
Ok, here's what I got. Thanks for the explanation; that makes sense to me how it would provide a 0v reference -- Sort of like taring a scale.

Left channel pin 0: +35.45vdc
Left channel pin 1: -35.74vdc
Right pin 0: +35.43vdc
Right pin 1:-35.74vdc
 
Ok, here's what I got. Thanks for the explanation; that makes sense to me how it would provide a 0v reference -- Sort of like taring a scale.

Left channel pin 0: +35.45vdc
Left channel pin 1: -35.74vdc
Right pin 0: +35.43vdc
Right pin 1:-35.74vdc

Those look like the power supply voltages from pin 2 and 9, I am expecting voltages of about +7 and -7 vdc on those pins 1 & 0. Pins 0 and 1 should be at one end of each of the 1k resistors you soldered in place of the modules.
 
Those look like the power supply voltages from pin 2 and 9, I am expecting voltages of about +7 and -7 vdc on those pins 1 & 0. Pins 0 and 1 should be at one end of each of the 1k resistors you soldered in place of the modules.
My bad, I misread the diagram. Here are the correct readings:
Left channel pin 0: +5.78vdc
Left channel pin 1: -5.87vdc
Right pin 0:+5.84vdc
Right pin 1:-5.87vdc
 
My bad, I misread the diagram. Here are the correct readings:
Left channel pin 0: +5.78vdc
Left channel pin 1: -5.87vdc
Right pin 0:+5.84vdc
Right pin 1:-5.87vdc
OK, those voltages look good and about what I expected, I've done this lots of times on SX-780s (on my bench and on AK).
Measure the dc volts on:
Left channel pin 8:
Left channel pin 3:
Right channel pin 3:
Right channel pin 8:
pcb pin 48:
pcb pin 49:
 
OK, those voltages look good and about what I expected, I've done this lots of times on SX-780s (on my bench and on AK).
Measure the dc volts on:
Left channel pin 8:
Left channel pin 3:
Right channel pin 3:
Right channel pin 8:
pcb pin 48:
pcb pin 49:
Left channel pin 8: -9.5mVdc
Left channel pin 3: -10.2mVdc
Right channel pin 3: -10.8mVdc
Right channel pin 8: -11.0mVdc
pcb pin 48:-11.0mVdc
pcb pin 49: -11.0 mVdc
 
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