• The move to the new server is done. There are some software and database maintenance updates in process. This has us passing the hat around to help out. We appreciate any donations. Seriously, even a dollar helps. The payment page may be found here - https://www.audiokarma.org/support.html

Teac TN-300 just say no?

Status
Not open for further replies.
grottyash said:
I don't think it matters where the turntable is made. The problem is poor specs, which, despite the naysayers assertions, would be audible, and a tonearm which, amongst other things is too short.
Click to expand...

Most of these cheap modern turntables measure better in real life than their poor specs would indicate. And most of the 'better' mfgs provide little to no usable specs either, so this spec thing on this forum is getting a bit old... if you're looking for a modern turntable with 'good specs', your choices are very limited, no matter what the price range. Not necessarily because the tables perform poorly, but because of the specs are next to useless from most manufacturers.

I agree the situation with specs is unfortunate and it won't change unless people demand better and more useful specs from the manufacturers, but in the meantime getting stuck on them is a bit silly, especially since there's measurements available that reflect actual real world performance better.
 
grottyash said:
The Teac's origins are known precisely. There's a photo of the manufacturer's plate in a previous thread. It is made in Taiwan, the Republic of China.

I don't think it matters where the turntable is made. The problem is poor specs, which, despite the naysayers assertions, would be audible, and a tonearm which, amongst other things is too short.

It's budget deck and I'd imagine would perform as well as the others. The other models may be better options because of having better arms, so you can mount better cartridges, but, honestly, you really need to up the ante to the 1000$ plus mark to get a decent new turntable. Quality playback with vinyl does not come cheap.
Click to expand...

Everyone knows it was manufactured in Taiwan. Let's get back to the assertion that the table is somehow a "knock off" or copy of somebody else's design, or a counterfeit. Strong words to be throwing around without any basis in fact. Since that kind of crap can't be proved, guess we'll move on to something else people can try to come up with what is wrong with it. A short arm.
 
Well yeah.. since a short tonearm was mentioned as a problem... IME tonearm length has next to nothing to do with perceived sound quality as long as the alignment is correct.

Example figures for two tonearms, other one is rather long for a 9" arm at 230mm mounting distance, while the other one is very short, 201mm mounting distance.

Using Baerwald alignment, the maximum tracking distortion is 0.597% vs 0.686% and average distortion is 0.389% vs 0.446% - hardly a very meaningful difference and my ears tell me the same. Even with the Dual 1019 arm which has mounting distance of less than 190mm, and using the stock alignment which is far worse than Baerwald for tracking distortion and I can't say I've ever noticed a problem. It's not the best sounding arm I've heard but in an entry level TT, it would hardly be the weak link and we're talking about a very short arm from the mid 60s...

As far as the Teac goes I've not heard or seen one and for all I know it can be a gem of a TT or complete crap, but IMO any piece of equipment deserves to be judged on how it performs the task it was made for.
 
grottyash said:
The Teac's origins are known precisely. There's a photo of the manufacturer's plate in a previous thread. It is made in Taiwan, the Republic of China.

I don't think it matters where the turntable is made. The problem is poor specs, which, despite the naysayers assertions, would be audible, and a tonearm which, amongst other things is too short.

It's budget deck and I'd imagine would perform as well as the others. The other models may be better options because of having better arms, so you can mount better cartridges, but, honestly, you really need to up the ante to the 1000$ plus mark to get a decent new turntable. Quality playback with vinyl does not come cheap.
Click to expand...
Just curious; have you ever heard this deck? I have on numerous occasions and it sounds a mite better than the Technics SL-20 that people seem to rave about that was my first table. Sure the SL-20 had better published specs, but it failed the solo piano test and the Teac didn't. Much better quality construction in every way.
 
I'm enjoying TN-300 for more than 6 months now and still happy with sound quality and workmanship of this table, money well spent in my book.

Also, I am very much enjoy reading on all TEAC TN-300 threads, some people are just :nono: :lmao:
 
One consistent theme from many of the naysayers here is that China produces nothing but inferior products. Simply not the case. And if you continue to paint that broad-brush approach, you will miss some otherwise great products. My TN-300 will arrive today. I'll be testing and listening to it over the holidays. I'll be sure and report back my findings, but from the few reports here and other sites, I hope to be pleasantly surprised. If it sounds half as good as it looks, I'm sure I'll be happy. :) And, since my ears aren't as golden as they once were, I'm really not too concerned if the 'specs' are a bit out of alignment - no pun intended. Most of my albums are 'more' out of alignment! ;)

Rick
 
redjr said:
One consistent theme from many of the naysayers here is that China produces nothing but inferior products. Simply not the case. And if you continue to paint that broad-brush approach, you will miss some otherwise great products. My TN-300 will arrive today. I'll be testing and listening to it over the holidays. I'll be sure and report back my findings, but from the few reports here and other sites, I hope to be pleasantly surprised. If it sounds half as good as it looks, I'm sure I'll be happy. :) And, since my ears aren't as golden as they once were, I'm really not too concerned if the 'specs' are a bit out of alignment - no pun intended. Most of my albums are 'more' out of alignment! ;)

Rick
Click to expand...
In the case of the Teac, if it were the piece of junk some contend, I doubt it would be stocked by reputable dealers yet I see it everywhere.
 
Garven said:
In the case of the Teac, if it were the piece of junk some contend, I doubt it would be stocked by reputable dealers yet I see it everywhere.
Click to expand...
yeah. Most of us forget how inferior audio really was in the 60s, when all I could afford was Lafayette and RS stuff. But at the time, it was 'good enough' for me. And it made me want to appreciate better sound. Fast forward 40+ years, and even the stuff out of China is miles ahead of that early 60s gear. All I will be able to compare the Teac to will be vintage TTs. I'm in the process now of restoring a JVC QL-7. I've also got a Pioneer, PL-518. I was looking for something new and fresh, that wasn't over the top, affordable, stellar looks and reasonably good, 'good enough' sound. I doubt seriously it will sound 'bad', but since I'm not a die-hard audiophile, I'm sure it sound just fine on my modest rig. :)

Rick
 
On and on and on and on and on it goes, through thread after thread after thread after thread on board after board after board.

What in the HELL is wrong with people these days? Doesn't anyone know the difference between FACTS and OPINIONS? What the flying F is this, the dark ages? The way the populace eschews Science and follows mindless shouting demagogues, witch hunts can't be far behind.

FACT, or should be at least taken as fact: Hanpin turntables offer, by their own admission, a wow and flutter spec of 0.2%. That's not an OPINION, it's a FACT.
FACT: Some people...probably most people, can hear that level of wow and flutter on, say, a long, fading piano note.

Some have even gone as far as to speculate that Hanpin was being conservative with that measurement or questioning how they measure it. I would be highly suspect that a Chinese firm in 2015 would have a less-stringent measuring regimen than was standard in the 1970's for turntable measurement. This is an OPINION.

I am so sick of this BS! Get your heads out of your hinders and pay attention, folks!!!!

The OP asked for advice on which is the better choice...the new Hanpin Teac, or a cartridge upgrade to the old Yamaha? Turntables aside, it is a FACT that more bang for the buck in sonic change is had by replacing the cartridge than by replacing the turntable. FACT: Transducers are the most critical part of the audio chain...that means Speakers and Cartridges.

Jesus Horatio Christ on a Pogo Stick!
 
DustyOldPile said:
On and on and on and on and on it goes, through thread after thread after thread after thread on board after board after board.

What in the HELL is wrong with people these days? Doesn't anyone know the difference between FACTS and OPINIONS? What the flying F is this, the dark ages? The way the populace eschews Science and follows mindless shouting demagogues, witch hunts can't be far behind.

FACT, or should be at least taken as fact: Hanpin turntables offer, by their own admission, a wow and flutter spec of 0.2%. That's not an OPINION, it's a FACT.
FACT: Some people...probably most people, can hear that level of wow and flutter on, say, a long, fading piano note.

Some have even gone as far as to speculate that Hanpin was being conservative with that measurement or questioning how they measure it. I would be highly suspect that a Chinese firm in 2015 would have a less-stringent measuring regimen than was standard in the 1970's for turntable measurement. This is an OPINION.

I am so sick of this BS! Get your heads out of your hinders and pay attention, folks!!!!

The OP asked for advice on which is the better choice...the new Hanpin Teac, or a cartridge upgrade to the old Yamaha? Turntables aside, it is a FACT that more bang for the buck in sonic change is had by replacing the cartridge than by replacing the turntable. FACT: Transducers are the most critical part of the audio chain...that means Speakers and Cartridges.


Jesus Horatio Christ on a Pogo Stick!
Click to expand...

FACT: Transducers are the most critical part of the audio chain...that means Speakers and Cartridges.


Would you mind proving this point as a fact?

Looks suspiciously like an opinion to me.

Regards
Mister Pig
 
DustyOldPile said:
FACT, or should be at least taken as fact: Hanpin turntables offer, by their own admission, a wow and flutter spec of 0.2%. That's not an OPINION, it's a FACT.
FACT: Some people...probably most people, can hear that level of wow and flutter on, say, a long, fading piano note.
Click to expand...

Fact: Reported measurements show that samples of the Teac and Hanpin have beat those wow and flutter specs quite handily.
 
There's a turntable widely available, probably made by Hanpin, which is cheaper than the Teac and has better specs. It's the Reloop rp 4000. It weighs in at a comfy 8kg, too. Frankly, if I were after a budget turntable, this'd be the one I'd be looking at. I'd pick it over the Pioneer DJ deck, too.

Downside is it looks like a Technics clone.
 
DustyOldPile said:
On and on and on and on and on it goes, through thread after thread after thread after thread on board after board after board.

What in the HELL is wrong with people these days? Doesn't anyone know the difference between FACTS and OPINIONS? What the flying F is this, the dark ages? The way the populace eschews Science and follows mindless shouting demagogues, witch hunts can't be far behind.

FACT, or should be at least taken as fact: Hanpin turntables offer, by their own admission, a wow and flutter spec of 0.2%. That's not an OPINION, it's a FACT.
FACT: Some people...probably most people, can hear that level of wow and flutter on, say, a long, fading piano note.

Some have even gone as far as to speculate that Hanpin was being conservative with that measurement or questioning how they measure it. I would be highly suspect that a Chinese firm in 2015 would have a less-stringent measuring regimen than was standard in the 1970's for turntable measurement. This is an OPINION.

I am so sick of this BS! Get your heads out of your hinders and pay attention, folks!!!!

The OP asked for advice on which is the better choice...the new Hanpin Teac, or a cartridge upgrade to the old Yamaha? Turntables aside, it is a FACT that more bang for the buck in sonic change is had by replacing the cartridge than by replacing the turntable. FACT: Transducers are the most critical part of the audio chain...that means Speakers and Cartridges.

Jesus Horatio Christ on a Pogo Stick!
Click to expand...
How fitting a handle... DustyOldPile of what? Wanna guess? ;) Gheesh!!!! Bad day?
 
muovimies said:
As far as the Teac goes I've not heard or seen one and for all I know it can be a gem of a TT or complete crap, but IMO any piece of equipment deserves to be judged on how it performs the task it was made for.
Click to expand...

Mine was not a Teac nor a Hanpin, but it was frequently dissed for reasons I never experienced. In the 3 years I owned the table it presented no issues and had a high quality sound. The only things that were replaced were the mat, and a new stylus because it was used a lot. Was I lucky, not really, during those years I read of only one table like mine that had any problems beyond set-up issues.
 
91r100gs said:
Mine was not a Teac nor a Hanpin, but it was frequently dissed for reasons I never experienced. In the 3 years I owned the table it presented no issues and had a high quality sound. The only things that were replaced were the mat, and a new stylus because it was used a lot. Was I lucky, not really, during those years I read of only one table like mine that had any problems beyond set-up issues.
Click to expand...
Yeah, the dissers are like a pack of roaming crusaders on a mission to threadcrap. We had the same thing in the PLX-1000-N thread until thankfully a moderator dropped in to put them in their place. It continues to amaze me why people spend so much time and energy on threads for products in which they have no interest!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom