And finally, is there an update on the deep groove cleaners, like the enzymatic contact cleaner?
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The Great Vinyl Experiment
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ozmoid
Lunatic Member
Not yet, but I'm working on it. A member has contacted me about providing some Tergazyme, a commercially available enzymatic cleaner, for testing.
I'll certainly keep posting to this thread with results. :thmbsp:
I'll be here lurking.
And posting.
And posting.
Justen
Send Lawyers,Guns & Money
Too bad I didn't have any Bulleit left. Might have worked better with a little of the proper fluid in the operator.
Mandatory for all testing oriented posts. My thread, my rules.
Well, have a bit of a setback with the Tergazyme; my vendor tells me it's been discontinued, so they can't ship it. they have a substitute, but my research has brought up another interesting twist.
Tergazyme only had effective enzymatic action for 8 hours in solution and that makes a bit of sense to me. I've done some enzyme work and it's quite possible that the enzymes used would "denature" and lose their shape and catalytic nature in solution, so that would make Tergazyme unsuitable for long term storage. Also, one needs to consider that using an enzymatic cleaner in a solution with a high (25%) proportion of alcohol may also denature it and cause the enzymes to become ineffective.
It may do a great job, but one would need to mix it up as needed and probably in an alcohol free solution and certainly rinse. It would also appear the the enzymes used in other enzymatic cleaners are much more stable in aqueous solutions.
Tergazyme only had effective enzymatic action for 8 hours in solution and that makes a bit of sense to me. I've done some enzyme work and it's quite possible that the enzymes used would "denature" and lose their shape and catalytic nature in solution, so that would make Tergazyme unsuitable for long term storage. Also, one needs to consider that using an enzymatic cleaner in a solution with a high (25%) proportion of alcohol may also denature it and cause the enzymes to become ineffective.
It may do a great job, but one would need to mix it up as needed and probably in an alcohol free solution and certainly rinse. It would also appear the the enzymes used in other enzymatic cleaners are much more stable in aqueous solutions.
I looked, there is no "Aw Shite" smiley face.
But it was a great idea.
I just spent the last 3 hours cleaning LPs. I have gotten about 40 LPs in the last two weeks. Most of them were dusty and otherwise MINT ! ! !
Ooo hoo !!
markd51
Nyuk Nyuk
Well here I am again your ole buddy Mark! Back in Chicago, my old friends used to call me Moe! (Hey Moe Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!)
I'm gonna cut to the chase, and I'll probably sound like a shill here, but if you folks wanna eliminate the experimentation, and the torture, and (probably could quote a few weight loss gurus about "ending the whatever"?) do yourselves a favor, contact my friend Jim Pendelton, the president of Audio Intelligent Vinyl Solutions (AIVS) and buy yourself a 3-Bottle Quart Kit of the Enzymatic Cleaner, the Super Cleaner, and the Pure Water Rinse.
Sure, you'll pay some decent money for these 3 Bottles, but NOT an outrageous amount.
IMO, there are no better products existing on the planet as of now.
I know how we like to experiment with Bolton,Partridge Family, Kenny G, and other "deadbeat LP's", but what about your good LPs? Ones that you cherish, hold dear, and want them to last forever, with outstanding sonics, quiet grooves, and lasting playback, that your grandchildren can even enjoy? What about your Cartridge? Factor that in as well.
I've used basically everything to come down the path the last 35 years. I've thrown away money that could buy you brand new Corvettes on Audio gear. No brag, just facts. In some ways not something to be totally proud about.
I'm the kind of guy that sees Iron Butterfly "Ina Gadda Da Vida" on Mo-Fi CD, $49.95, oh hell, what's $49.95!? LAST Super Cleaner, $30 a oz Bottle, oh what the heck? $3000 Benz Micro Cartridge? I'll find a way, cause I want it!
It's folks like myself who do the "dumb work" (Yes, I'm not the sharpest Crayon in the Box), and hopefully, I can come into a nice group like this, with all you nice folks, and help them/you, making "hopefully" some sound suggestions, thus saving "some" mucho time, and $$$$. Give Jim a call-email, and then post your comments. I'm looking forward to the estatic reviews! Mark
I'm gonna cut to the chase, and I'll probably sound like a shill here, but if you folks wanna eliminate the experimentation, and the torture, and (probably could quote a few weight loss gurus about "ending the whatever"?) do yourselves a favor, contact my friend Jim Pendelton, the president of Audio Intelligent Vinyl Solutions (AIVS) and buy yourself a 3-Bottle Quart Kit of the Enzymatic Cleaner, the Super Cleaner, and the Pure Water Rinse.
Sure, you'll pay some decent money for these 3 Bottles, but NOT an outrageous amount.
IMO, there are no better products existing on the planet as of now.
I know how we like to experiment with Bolton,Partridge Family, Kenny G, and other "deadbeat LP's", but what about your good LPs? Ones that you cherish, hold dear, and want them to last forever, with outstanding sonics, quiet grooves, and lasting playback, that your grandchildren can even enjoy? What about your Cartridge? Factor that in as well.
I've used basically everything to come down the path the last 35 years. I've thrown away money that could buy you brand new Corvettes on Audio gear. No brag, just facts. In some ways not something to be totally proud about.
I'm the kind of guy that sees Iron Butterfly "Ina Gadda Da Vida" on Mo-Fi CD, $49.95, oh hell, what's $49.95!? LAST Super Cleaner, $30 a oz Bottle, oh what the heck? $3000 Benz Micro Cartridge? I'll find a way, cause I want it!
It's folks like myself who do the "dumb work" (Yes, I'm not the sharpest Crayon in the Box), and hopefully, I can come into a nice group like this, with all you nice folks, and help them/you, making "hopefully" some sound suggestions, thus saving "some" mucho time, and $$$$. Give Jim a call-email, and then post your comments. I'm looking forward to the estatic reviews! Mark
Justen
Send Lawyers,Guns & Money
No offense, but I never take anyone's opinion on anything.... they are, after all, like, uuuhmmm, noses. I'm sure your friend's product is good, it may even be better than homebrew. And a recommendation from someone I have some trust in would perhaps make me consider trying it (and yes Mark, I have some trust in your experience) But I wouldn't take anyone's word on it like it were gospel.
But have faith my friend, you're going to like my next experiment!
As you've noted, I started with crappy albums, simply to dispel myths as to what would "ruin" an album. So far, only the thinner has made a record unplayable.
But all this has made me question what exactly we're trying to save here. Without a doubt we all want the cleanest sounding vinyl possible, but is preservation really all that crucial? The vast majority of our collections will not be preserved by our children or grandchildren because the music simply won't be relevant to them . And the vast majority of our collections won't really even be collectible! Sure the best will be; there will be Elvis & Beatles collectors, Blue Note fanatics, etc. But most of the music of the 50's (already happened) 60's (mostly gone) 70's (currently on oldies radio and classic rock stations) will be forgotten as the people of that generation die off. At some point Iron Butterfly will be as irrelevant to the vast majority of people as Enrico Caruso is to most of the people on AK (and yes, Enrico sold a shiiteload of records). And then our precious collections will be at GW, waiting for someone who cares to find it, b*tch about the fact records cost $1.25 and then take them home and clean them with Armour All. I say this with great certainty...
But again, have faith my brothers and sisters! My next experiments will have a little somethin' for everybody! Stay tuned....
Um.... Mark, no URL?
It doesn't Google.
And, Justen, is the new experiment going to be in this thread?
It doesn't Google.
And, Justen, is the new experiment going to be in this thread?
KlipschFan61
Smooth Jazzer
After reading the first few posts, I was wondering how cleaning the test vinyl with that fine single malt worked out...
Repent Heathen! Good music has a way of living on forever.
Justen
Send Lawyers,Guns & Money
Of course it will be! It is vinyl cleaning oriented, new substances. Just need some fuel!
As far as the original scotch goes, it cleaned my soul pretty damn well...
Justen
Send Lawyers,Guns & Money
Yep. But most music of any generation is only mediocre. The best of anything will always be collectible, the rest is just okay...
KlipschFan61
Smooth Jazzer
Might I recommend a nice 16 y/o Lagavulin next time you're feeling like Sir Albert....
markd51
Nyuk Nyuk
Hello Grainger, Sorry for not posting the link.
Here it is: www.audiointelligent.com/
True Justen to a point, after I die, only God knows where my Record (and CD) collection may wind up? Could be a Goodwill-Salvation Army, then again, the whole lot could end up in the City Dump?
Hard to predict what will be of value 20-40 years from now? Makes me think of some of the Sci Fi Movies like "Waterworld", or "Demolition Man", where things of current importance bear little, to none in future "tangent" worlds.
Maybe by then, like in "Demoltion Man", we'll all be listening to "In the Jolly of the Valley Ho Ho Ho, Green Giant", and "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener"? lol
Mark
ozmoid
Lunatic Member
I gotta get me one of them thar sponsor deals...
Awaiting the latest elucidation, oh great and powerful pundit.
Justen
Send Lawyers,Guns & Money
I gotta get me one of them thar sponsor deals...
Awaiting the latest elucidation, oh great and powerful pundit.
My years of television & Nascar have taught me well....gotta have a sponsor!
