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The Mighty Bogen MO-200A

a very current 75 watt ARC amp uses 2800 ohm primary output transformers with a pair of KT-120/150 tubes. this is a pretty simple amp without the cathode winding. not even a UL design! tubes biased to 65ma each and about 430-450vdc plus losses to the plates. 100ohm screen resistors to the B+ with very good results. But those are also VERY good transformers. the specs are ridiculous and almost no one can build them correctly. When Watertown transformer went out of business. ARC had to go through almost a half dozen vendors before anyone would even think about building them and a half dozen more before they found one that COULD build them correctly. It has always puzzled me why they used such low impedance's.
 
The ARC scenario you describe is very different from that in the Bogen amplifier, and so requires the use of a much lower reflected impedance from the output transformer.

In the MO-200A setting, the screen voltage is at best half that applied to the plates, which itself is greatly elevated over the voltage supplied in the ARC design mentioned. In Bogen scenario, the required plate-to-plate load for any given pair of tubes is increased to the highest end of the range within which the tubes can work in conventional pentode circuits.

In the ARC scenario, the screen and plate voltages are nearly equal in value, with the screens operating at a higher voltage and the plates at a much lower voltage than in the Bogen. This scenario is very different then, requiring a much lower plate-to-plate load impedance for any given pair of tubes, which now appears at the lowest end of the range within which the tubes can work in conventional pentode circuits.

If the required load impedance of one scenario is used with the operating conditions of the other scenario, then neither end result will produce near the power output that the proper pairing will produces, distortion will be greatly elevated in both, and in the case of using the load impedance of the ARC amplifier with the Bogen operating conditions, will result in greatly over dissipating the tubes as power output is increased.

It is always desirable to use the lowest possible OPT primary impedance, as doing so greatly alleviates the design issues associated with an OPT's HF frequency, power, and transient response performance, particularly as the physical size of the transformer is increased to handle greater power output capability. Winding capacitance can become a serious problem at higher impedance levels if not carefully accounted for in the build of the transformer.

Dave
 
Just subjectively, I can tell you that the design Dave came up with sounds very good. I've been running my 100a's for years now and they sound and perform very well. Its not abusive to the output tubes either. I did have one 6AN8 get noisy but I don't think thats related to how they are being used.
 
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Just subjectively, I can tell you that the design Dave came up with sounds very good. I've been running my 100a's for years now and they sound and perform very well. Its not abusive to the output tubes either. I did have one 6AN8 get noisy but I don't think thats related to how they are being used.
Ok so lets say i am able to duplicates daves design. I don't want to use 6AN8 tubes. instead i want to use seperates. what would i use? EF86 or 12AX7 up front and a 12AU/T7 driver?
 
probably an EF86 or 6AU6 for the voltage amp and whatever triode you like for a splitter. 6C4 is half a 12AU7. I'd probably do that per channel rather than sharing a single tube just for wire routing reasons. If you really want to share a tube I might go 6CG7 since its got a shield between the sections. Its a 9 pin 6SN7.

or if you're into all-octal, 6SK7 for the pentode and a 6J5 for the splitter. 6J5 is half a 6SN7.
 
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