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The Official Well Tempered Audio Thread

Thank you Sir Pig
I was thinking the other day it would be nice to know where to get all the different things us WT’iste will come to need in the future. Suspension rope/string/thread for the arm, the viscous fluid for the well, drive belts (now checked off, thank you).
 
On another subject, this morning I installed an AT-OC9/III mc on the WT.
I knew going in the headshell wires were very fragile so extreme care was needed. FAIL.
I pulled two leads off, barely breathed on them so I figured good, I’ll get these suckers on here correctly.
Well between that and mounting the new mc it’s probably the fiddlyest job I’ve ever done. But all is well. A third hand clamp is essential.
Got the wires connected the right way. The arm was close but I needed the second weight puck. Recommendation was between 1.8 and 2.2 g. I hit 1.95 and am listening there for now.
Impressions after an hour and a half of listening.
The music wraps around and envelopes the room. The instruments are precise/clear and you can see them in their places. I’m listening to DSOTM right now and the clocks in Time are a completely new experience.
That little ATVM95SH I had on here before is a fantastic cart, especially for the price, but this is a new world.
 
Another thought about listening to this cart.
I had always held with skepticism the phrase, “it opened up” after however many hours of play.
I never heard that happen with my mm carts. I was never sure if it was my pea little brain wanting to hear more and better as the cart wore in.
I actually heard it with this cart. I could “see” the drum kit move forward and fill the room more. I could “see” the vocals move into the room.
Now I was listening critically for quite a few hours and surely record A was mixed differently than record B, I get the factors involved. But I’m pretty sure it’s the cart “opening up”. I’m just trying to communicate my astonishment.
I think the most telling factor is, my wife has always not been able to stay in the same room when I turned up the volume. Yesterday she was right next to me digging it.
The only reason could be is there was no noise, only music. Even at high levels. Safe to say that the WT will never see an mm again although I still hold mine in high esteem (for my other tables).
 
Thank you Mr. Pig on the info on the LPGear belt. Nice to know that there is a flat belt that meets spec for the Well Tempered tables.

Although not cheap at $45, I don’t think I paid too much less for the official belt 25+ years ago. Things are relative.
 
I was doing the photography and graphic design for Transparent Audio all through the 1980s and 1990s, so saw a lot of the Well Tempered stuff. It was designed by Bill Firebaugh, but manufactured and distributed by Transparent.

The original WTT/WTA had a square motor, a white acrylic platter with a small (maybe 1 inch diameter) screw-down record clamp, a stainless steel arm with a single mounting point for the cartridge, and a cantilevered black rig for holding up the arm when it was at rest. The plinth was made from three slabs of MDF, with sheets of foam sandwiched in between, satin black finish. This original model eventually became the "Classic" (although with round motor).

When I say square motor, I mean that there was a square cutout in the plinth, and into that you tucked the motor, which is free-standing on its own set of feet, and is mounted to a slab of lead (12 lbs as I recall) to help drink up vibrations. This is the turntable that I have and use daily. Somewhere around 1990, they changed over to boring a large hole inside the plinth and dropping a motor into that, mounted on a circular hunk of lead.

Around that time, the line expanded to include three models: the WTRP (Well Tempered Record Player) was aimed at a budget-conscious user, with smaller and less massy plinth, simplified arm, but same principles. The Reference had a plinth made from Corian countertop material, and a more sophisticated system for adjusting damping in the arm "bearing" trough. The original continued on in the middle, and as I said, eventually became the Classic.

Along the way, the platter went from white acrylic to the black damped platter, which had a clamp similar in a appearance to a hockey puck (although smaller than a real puck).

Another improvement was the arm. This went from a stainless-steel tube to carbon fiber, and the headshell had an angled profile with two mounting holes. The original arm had only a single mounting point — a longish slot through which a single screw could be run down into the cartridge. With the carbon fiber arm came a new armrest that is a black pillar with a U-shaped holder at the top.

Through the 90s the Well Tempered line had these three models, then sometime in late 1990s the whole setup was sold to George Stanwick of Stanalog, who was also importer of van den Hul. At that point I lost contact with WT.

But meanwhile Bill Firebaugh got actively involved in designing some new decks (with the clever golf ball bearing and such) and ever since then, these have been distributed by Mike Pranka in St. Louis, who is also the importer of Dynavector. A fine person and really solid distributor.

That's a brief and sorta accurate (no footnotes! could be errors in here!) overview of Well Tempered from 1980s to end of 90s. I had no contact with the new WT Lab, just have admired it from seeing Mike Pranka's website. (Mike also races a vintage Alfa GTV by the way.)

im looking to pick up one of the original design model that you refered to as the Classic. this is the original one with the square cutout for the motor. anything i should know? about maintnance, parts? operation?
 
My only experience with maintenance is that something in the motor went awry after about ten years. At that point Transparent fixed whatever had gone wrong and it's been running great ever since. Also, the stack of three planks of MDF that make up the plinth have begun to drift slightly out of alignment. The way the plinth is made, the three thick layers of MDF are separated (and also joined) by two layers of 1/16th-inch 3M foam. This construction is what Firebaugh called constrained-layer damping, with the goal of turning vibration into heat that is dissipated through those alternating layers. I have my turntable on a Target wall shelf, the kind that is welded square tube construction and has two shelves, so the turntable has always been dead level. I'm not quite sure what has caused this drift, and I suspect its only effect is visual, not anything detrimental to the playback. Setup of the arm can be tricky, but once you have it dialed in, nothing changes. I had Wally M make me a Wallytractor which helps a lot with cartridge installation. No that I intend to do anything about that: I love the Dynavector Te Kaitora Rua that is mounted in the Well Tempered Arm now and have no reason to change it. I will say, probably the most tedious stretch of time I endured during the six years of my writing for Listener was the six-month period when Rob Doorack and I did a tag team review of phono cartridges. Given my declining close-range vision I found I had very little patience for the extreme fiddlyness of getting geometry set up, including azimuth and VTA. Although the arm does enable a lot of adjustments in this regard, without having to add spacers to adjust VTA, etc. Hope you can find one. I think it is a brilliant deck. I love its lively presentation and good sense of pace.
 
im looking to pick up one of the original design model that you refered to as the Classic. this is the original one with the square cutout for the motor. anything i should know? about maintnance, parts? operation?

Just purchased a really nice one 30minutes ago, will post better pics once in my hands. I've wanted one since it hit the market, was even in contact with the manufacturer in the mid 90's trying to work out a deal. They went as low as $1500, it was still out of my price range.

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This is splitting hairs in a way, but I wanted to explain something to be clear for any who may read this thread in the future. When the deck first came out, it was called The Well Tempered Turntable. At this point, it was fitted with the “square” motor just as you see in Grenadeslio's pictures above, and had the stainless steel arm (with single-point attachment to cartridge) and the white acrylic platter with smallish clamp. Eventually, the WTL line expanded in both directions, with the Well Tempered Record Player at the bottom and the Well Tempered Reference at the top. In this later scenario, the original deck was rebadged as the Classic, occupying the center of the range. By now it had a “round” motor that dropped into a hole in plinth, and was sold with the black damped platter (larger clamp) and the carbon-fibre Well Tempered Arm (with angled mini “headshell” and two holes for cartridge mounting). So in this sense it was incorrect of me to say that mine is a Classic — it does have the later platter and arm of the Classic, but mine retains the original square motor. Well, so much for nomenclature . . .
 
i bought that two days ago for 750 but decided that i dont have the time or inclination to deal with it so i asked to cancel the order and he relisted it.
 
i bought that two days ago for 750 but decided that i dont have the time or inclination to deal with it so i asked to cancel the order and he relisted it.

Got it for a bit less, happy as these originally sold for just south of $3500. I looked at these many yrs ago, later had a deal worked out with the manufacturer for one in the mid 90's for wholesale but decided then it was still out of my price range.

I'll set it up and put it through the paces against my Kenwood KD770D, then decide which tables to sell. Most likely the Thorens and Mitsubishi will be the first, they've been languishing in the closet too long, a shame they're not being used.
 
Well it's up and running and proving a great table can make a pedestrian cartridge like the Sumiko Black Pearl perform above it's weight class lol.

Left the Sumiko installed so I could evaluate the table as sold to me for eBay feedback. Hopefully this weekend I'll have time to install the Denon DL301 for a better evaluation of the tables capabilities.

But for tonight I'm just sitting back and letting some music wash over me.

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The setup was rather straight forward once the damping trough was filled. Would have set the table up sooner but the damping fluid just arrived this afternoon.
 
Well it was time to make a cartridge change on the new deck. Original plan was to rob the Denon DL301 off the Kenwood KD770D but I changed that plan and decided to go with a Grado.

The Platinum needs a retip so the plan was to install either the Prestige Blue or the G1 with the 8MZ stylus that I've only put 50hrs on in place of the Sumiko.

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But that plan went arry when the screws on the deck were too long and I didn't have the required hardware without scavenging other decks. So new plan, install one of my Grace cartridges. Just so happens I had three NOS Grace carts, two being utilized with the Kenwood KD500, the stylus are interchangeable.

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So I still had this NOS Grace F-8C Custom, seemed like a no brainer. Why do I seem to gravitate to decks with fixed headshells lol? So here I am at 1:00AM attempting to swap cartridges, anyone familiar with Grace cartridges knows their pins are tiny so the clips usually require a little squeeze.

Well i was a bit overzealous with the squeeze, attempting to remedy my error I break the end off the lead lol. So now here I am at 2:00AM soldering the end back on, what a dumbass.

So I get the lead fixed, the cartridge installed, put on the first record and HOLY ****. Ya the WTL likes the Grace, and this is still before stylus break-in. It was a bit aggressive the first couple of tracks but settling down nicely already and making beautiful music.

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Glad you’re having fun with it.
I’ve broken 3 of the 4 leads so you’re not alone in that dept. They are quite delicate.
What I love about this table is something Mr. Pig alluded to earlier. You can very easily hear the difference in recordings and carts. The table does not get in the way.
 
Glad you’re having fun with it.
I’ve broken 3 of the 4 leads so you’re not alone in that dept. They are quite delicate.
What I love about this table is something Mr. Pig alluded to earlier. You can very easily hear the difference in recordings and carts. The table does not get in the way.

Oh, you don't know the half if it. I have this little battery operated soldering iron that is awesome for portability, eats up batteries like candy though.

Hadn't used it since the last time I changed carts on the Grace G707 and breaking one of those leads lol. So I rummage through the garage and finally find it. Drop out the batteries and notice corrosion, why didn't I remove those idiot?

Install the new and.........nothing. So now here I am at 1:30AM disassembling the soldering iron to clean out the corrosion. The sneaky little bastards had 2 screws hidden under the vinyl label. So a good clean, reassembly, new batteries and all lights are go.

The whole time I'm calling myself a dumbass for not just putting the Denon on the damn thing, the pins are of a more normal size and wouldn't have required the little squeeze. Now here's the thing, I've read the clips on the WTL are spring loaded to fit "most pins", and that's "mostly correct", just a bit too loose on the Grace.

And Mr Pig is spot on with his comment, the WTL is tantamount to having a cartridge riding on the record without a table attached. Listened to three albums late into the night I was so captivated hearing the stylus bloom more with each consecutive track, didn't hit the sheets until 4:30AM this glorious Mother's day morning.
 
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This thing keeps drawing me in.
I’ve been neglecting my other tables. Still can’t believe the sound coming off a relatively inexpensive cart.

Same thing I found with the Sumiko Black Pearl that came with mine. But it's definitely a great improvement with the Grace installed. The table just gets out of the way and gives the cartridge a great platform to shine.
 
I have an original Well Tempered Turntable and Well Tempered Arm, with the upgraded black damped platter. Love love love it. Have used it steadily since 1990s. Began with a vdH MM-1 cartridge, then AT150, Grado woody Platinum, then once I discovered Dynavector in 1999 or 2000, went fairly quickly up the chain from 10x4 > 20X > XX-1 > Te Kaitora Rua. No desire to change anything now. The arm is fussy to set up but once it is there, everything stays put. Sounds wonderful and has good timing. (Rest of system: Sugden CDMaster integrated CD player, Pioneer RT-707, Audiomat Phono 1 phono stage, Audiomat Opéra Référence integrated amp (EL-34s, push-pull), J. M. Reynaud Cantabile speakers, Transparent Reference cabling throughout. Listen mostly to acoustic small-combo jazz, chamber music, Brasilian bossa nova, folk, some orchestral, almost no rock. Room 15 x 24 feet.)

Have you ever had to adjust your platter bearing? I wanted this table for 35yrs, finally get one a couple of weeks ago.

After listening to it for a while I noticed the platter wasn't sitting level. So I remove the spindle, looked into the well and see one of the Delrin pads had fallen off, DAMN IT.

Of course it's after midnight, can't leave it like this. Go on line to see how to remove the bearing well, supposedly it's two piece. Guy has pictures showing how he was able to lift the inner well just enough to adjust the top two bearing points.

So in trying to remove the inner well I knock another Delrin pad off, SHITE. So I finally come to the conclusion mine looks to be a one piece well. I use a rubber mallet and large socket to drive the well out from the bottom. Oops, forgot the damping cup was full, honey thick synthetic fluid everywhere, now what?

So now I wonder, will super glue hold the Delrin onto the setscrews? Yep, held like a champ, reinstall the two bearing points. Drop the spindle in and adjust the bearing points by eye until the spindle looks straight with the well.

Put the table back together, and will wonders never cease it works great. Platter nice and level with the table, all is good except it's now 3:30AM and I get up at 5:30 lol.

Hope this helps anyone looking in with a similar issue. I've contacted Dynavector about getting replacement bearing contacts, the Delrin pads look very thin, maybe that's normal? They've left a message with Mr Firebaugh so we'll see how that goes.

Sorry no pictures of the procedure. Planning on making a custom plinth so when that happens I'll take pics of the different parts and installation.
 
I have other Grace cartridges in use on "The Rock", including another F-8C Custom, but I gotta admit this table shows the Grace had a lot more to give than the big Kenny revealed.

Anyone thinking this table has a lightweight presentation needs to give it a little Grace, then let some Joe Bonomassa wail.

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Huge soundstage, the size of the venue clearly discernible.
 
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