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Underrated turntables....Share Your Knowledge !!!!!

I think the Bang & Olufsen Beogram turntables qualify. A lot of people shie away from them due to the properietary cartridges, but once you get around that (new production cartridges are available from SoundSmith, and old ones can usually be retipped), they make outstanding turntables. Possibly my favorite aspect of them is the inverted-pendulum suspension, which makes them highly resistant to outside vibrations (B&O referred to it as being "dance-proof"). I generally prefer the linear-tracking models (which B&O was a pioneer of), but the radial-trackers do a good job as well. Anyway, here are a couple of pictures:
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A mate has a JH Reproducers turntable with a B&O arm and cart. The turntable itself is rubbish though the arm and cartridge make it sound very nice indeed
 
B&O's are great. They can be a little tricky to repair and the cartridges are spendy though. Even the older ones are good. I ran an early 70's vintage 3000 with an MMC adapter on the arm connected to an MMC20EN for almost two decades. Replaced the cartridge twice. The 4000 and 8000 series linear trackers are some of the best looking good turntables ever made, maybe the best looking.
 
Another one I'd say is nice but overlooked is the JVC QL-L2, and similar models. It's a quartz-locked direct drive, with a T4P compliant linear arm. It produces very nice sound, but doesn't cost much if you find one.
 
I think just about anything using P Mount cartridges tends to be cheap. Not a huge range of carts available for them would be my guess. If a quality pivot arm table could be had cheaply (p mount versions) though it could be worthwhile upgrading the tonearm ;)
 
... not always. I think there are a number of Technics linear trackers that are definitely not cheap and would hold their own easily against a number of other tables ... for example the SL-DL1 or SL-QL1, which I've mentioned before. There were some really nice traditional tonearm p-mounts as well ... how about the Technics SL-M1?
 
The shortage of new carts is definitely an issue though. On the plus side there are plenty of vintage P mount Empire carts available and some of those around spectacular in a neutral/bright sounding system. Quality styli available from Jico too.
 
Well and truly out of my price range though. I have however picked up a lovely old Ariston RD110 SL turntable and Fidelity Research FR-24 Mk2 tonearm. About $1000 for that in Australia....
That is another high quality suspended table with the same common design roots as the Linn Sondek. It appears to be a newer version of the RD11 by these pics.

It's true that the latter LP12s use some speed regulation which you could always add if desired. I'm using a Phoenix Technology Eagle with the VPI Scout used in the main system.
 
That is another high quality suspended table with the same common design roots as the Linn Sondek. It appears to be a newer version of the RD11 by these pics.

It's true that the latter LP12s use some speed regulation which you could always add if desired. I'm using a Phoenix Technology Eagle with the VPI Scout used in the main system.
Wow, that chap has made some serious mods to that one.
 
Don't know if anybody said this yet but just about all Sony turntables from their early golden era are, I think underrated. Seems like people thumb their noses up whenever they see Sony on anything.
 
Don't know if anybody said this yet but just about all Sony turntables from their early golden era are, I think underrated. Seems like people thumb their noses up whenever they see Sony on anything.

Most any turntable they built from the mid 1960s to the early 1980s is at least decent, many of them are excellent.
 
Don't know if anybody said this yet but just about all Sony turntables from their early golden era are, I think underrated. Seems like people thumb their noses up whenever they see Sony on anything.
Yeah, its from Sony going cheap in the early 2000's. They really damaged their brand.

Having said that I had a new set of Sony SS-F9000 speakers that sounded fantastic. I replaced them with my current B&W DM16 speakers that I inherited from Dad.

Teac is another brand which once made great gear.
 
Yeah, its from Sony going cheap in the early 2000's. They really damaged their brand.

Having said that I had a new set of Sony SS-F9000 speakers that sounded fantastic. I replaced them with my current B&W DM16 speakers that I inherited from Dad.

Teac is another brand which once made great gear.

Sony had a reputation for making cheap gear long before then. At the same time, they were still making (and still make) excellent electronics, too. They should have created a new brand for their cheap stuff, instead of tarnishing the main corporate name.
 
Sony have made some of the best turntables and some real garbage. The same as almost every Japanese audio company. Sony still has some garbage turntables on the market. Why for GOD's sake? Aren't Crosely turntables around to fill that niche?

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theophile: Well, most of the Crosleys are even lower ranking models than the entry-level Hanpins that were or still are offered by Audio Technica, Denon, Dual (both Fehrenbacher and DGC), Kenwood, Pioneer, Sony... Those Hanpins basically serve customers, who rather want something new, but don't really need more than what I'd call decent consumer stereo quality. For that sector these Hanpin models usually do the job pretty well.

More generally, there are such turntables just like there still are quite a few entry-level digicams or like there are entry-level tools or entry-level portable audio players or whatever. Why? Because there's sufficient demand. In fact it would even seem pretty normal that the majority of people would to a large part own lower and average quality goods, while they'd only go for high quality in a few segments, in which they deem their requirements to be a good bit higher than average. And of course the requirement level can already vary quite a bit for one single customer, who might very well use such a cheap Hanpin in his garage system, whilst having something way better in the living room, just like he's got a cheap, but robust point&shoot digicam for parties, while he will otherwise use a decent bridge- or DSLR cam for more serious shooting...

Speaking of that, I often think it's amazing how many material goods an average "western world" citizen nowdays already owns compared to Joe Average for example 100 or 150 years ago. And while on one hand I think: how poor - on the other I think: what a freedom. Because in the meantime I already perceive many of the things I own also at least partly as a burden in terms of repeatedly requiring my time and care and also my attention and my wilingsness to keep informed/up-to-date.

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
 
Say whatever you want about Numark, which deservedly (I guess) developed its bad reputation among audiophiles, but my TTXUSB (the top of the line from the brand) is not plastic, not junk, not unreliable... instead, so far I can tell it's a truly solid machine. Certainly, its S-shaped tonearm's performance wasn't the best when I started using it, but after some DIY tweaks it performs wonderfully. Some complain about their TTX dying on them very soon, but that's because the first run of this model had an overheating problem that was acknowledged and corrected. After soon to be four years, I have absolutely no complaints and I can tell for sure I'm extremely happy with my turntable. The videos in my channel are a testimony of my vinyl setup's sound quality, which isn't "the best" by any means, but it's certainly much more than just a couple notches above average.

https://www.youtube.com/user/NothingLikeVinyl
 
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I noticed that no one mentioned the RCA victors of the 60's Any reason why. I have one now that I just got. And I can remember back in the 60's how great I thought the sound was. I have compared it to the newer style systems and still think the older tube systems sound better.
 
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