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chazix said:
I reckon I'd rather be accused of lacking self-control than of lacking empathy for harms being done to others.
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Oh no one is lacking empathy for visitors.

I hate ads as much as anyone. But I balance my comments with empathy for the people running this place.

And knowing what I know. These Ad's are likely less than enough to support this place.

So digging into site financials (What I was referring to as speculation that does not help) IMHO is out of line.

Frannie
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Chazix did just that (showing empathy for the people running AK) in his speculative comment: "...to keep the innocent AK ownership from bailing out."

And I'm unclear as to where anyone, him included, was digging into site financials anymore than you are by stating "Knowing what you know to suggest the ad's are likely less than enough to support the place." Unless you have actual knowledge beyond what the average user does that is just assumption. An assumption AK is raking in dough, breaking even or drowning in expenses is all just assumption. We have no way of knowing. Both you and Chazix hint at the latter with different words.

Here is my spin on AK's financials - absolutely no clue whatsoever.

My empathy extends both ways, I want AK to thrive, that includes those in charge getting reasonably compensated for their time and efforts and I want members and guests to have an experience that won't try to rip them off. The two are NOT incompatible. It sounds like you are very much of the same mind.
 
2ndserve said:
"Knowing what you know to suggest the ad's are likely less than enough to support the place." Unless you have actual knowledge beyond what the average user does that is just assumption.
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I dunno maybe 40 years of internet experience including running more than a few commercial web enterprises.

Frannie
 
buglegirl said:
I dunno maybe 40 years of internet experience including running more than a few commercial web enterprises.

Frannie
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I thought that your comment was referring to general knowledge of the industry which obviously would inform and color your perspective. My business background informs some of mine.

But it's largely irrelevant to the primary points at hand. He did show empathy towards AK and he never once dug into their financials. Our collective backgrounds don't change the reality that ads currently being run here by Advally have malicious, criminal intent towards guests and non-subscribing members.
 
damacman said:
Forums are dying, not growing, as a way to find and gather information. The validity of the information has less value today than ever - I got an answer in seconds has for more weight than I got the answer I was looking for. Attention spans are now measured in seconds.
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Well this forum is dying perhaps. But it may actually be AI driving it into the ground.

Right now its thriving but does not "Seem" to be what it was lets say 5 years ago.

And old timers and old time equipment are drifting away.

For now perhaps things need a rethink. The forum "Collaboration Format" beats "Social Media Collaboration"

Its certainly not my site to run but right now the Ad's format currently employed certainly needs a rethink. Perhaps instead of wishing them away. Perhaps we might want to think of ways to offer the ownership help with what I see as a complicated conundrum. That conundrum being how to keep advertising revenue balancing peoples true desire to visit said site. Wishing them away is NOT an option IMHO.

So yah I speculate also. How about this. Move the speculation into another conversation ??

Frannie
 
2ndserve said:
But it's largely irrelevant to the primary points at hand. He did show empathy towards AK and he never once dug into their financials. Our collective backgrounds don't change the reality that ads currently being run here by Advally have malicious, criminal intent towards guests and non-subscribing members.
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OK no need for hyperbole like "Criminal Intent" lets keep it as the AD's need a rework.

Nobody is saying the AD's are a good thing , just that they need rethinking.

Frannie
 
Phising ads are criminal, there is no hyperbole in that comment. That doesn't imply AK is criminal, it only may or may not imply Advally is involved in criminal activity, but the ads themselves, whoever is running them and getting them into the Advally pipeline is involved in criminal activity.
 
As for speculation on how to keep AK afloat without being downstream from activity like that, like you I have thoughts but meddling in AK internal workings with only speculation to go on is akin to wanting to see their financials. That is a a decision for them, not me. If asked, I'd add my views that are speculative. But again, the earlier (not especially helpful, mine and yours included) speculation isn't really the issue, the malicious ads are.
 
buglegirl said:
Move the speculation into another conversation ??
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I guess my view is that this particular thread's reason for existing is to express discontent with the way things are now. I don't see speculating about the explanation for the BS to be thread-crapping, in context.

Not that I object to a new thread for speculating about the explanation. If someone starts one, I'd be happy to state my naive speculations there, or have my earlier ones moved there.

I figure that expressing discontent is the only way we users have of calling for change, and in that context, the more threads, the better. Once again, the way to dispel expressions of discontent, and to dispel speculation about the explanation, is obvious.

(BTW, in case it isn't obvious, it definitely was not you, buglegirl, that I was suggesting might lack empathy. I think yours is a reasoned position. 'Nuff said. How's that for self-control?)
 
chazix said:
I figure that expressing discontent is the only way we users have of calling for change, and in that context, the more threads, the better. Once again, the way to dispel expressions of discontent, and to dispel speculation about the explanation, is obvious.
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I agree and will let a wiser statement stand for my view of the Ad's situation.

I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing
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Thomas Jefferson's Thoughts

Frannie
 
It is a legit shorthand for Quantum Field Theory, but it occasionally gets entangled with this definition and the only other it is known for:

Quit F'ing Trolling
 
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