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We are doomed

one more question I gotta ask.. .

Why do we feel the need to "pass a torch" or make others sit and listen to understand "good sound"

Why can't we just let people enjoy things they like the way they like..

It's like I tell the people that knock on my door asking me to come to their church... "Why do you feel the need to invite me? Do I knock on your door and ask you to go to the nudie bar with me?"
 
It seems that some approach this hobby like a religion- that it must carry on outside of our own experience. While I'm all for the health of the hobby, and for it to be around in decent health for those who choose to experience it- I also have no desire to drag somebody else into it if they're content enjoying music some other way. Especially since I fail to see what is so gawd awfully bad about an ipod with decent headphones. I don't think they need saved from it anymore than I think we all could sometimes stand to be saved from our not seeing the music through our obsession with the gear we play it on.

EDIT: Similost said the same thing better.
 
similost said:
one more question I gotta ask.. .

Why do we feel the need to "pass a torch" or make others sit and listen to understand "good sound"

Why can't we just let people enjoy things they like the way they like..

It's like I tell the people that knock on my door asking me to come to their church... "Why do you feel the need to invite me? Do I knock on your door and ask you to go to the nudie bar with me?"
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JohnVF said:
It seems that some approach this hobby like a religion- that it must carry on outside of our own experience. While I'm all for the health of the hobby, and for it to be around in decent health for those who choose to experience it- I also have no desire to drag somebody else into it if they're content enjoying music some other way. Especially since I fail to see what is so gawd awfully bad about an ipod with decent headphones. I don't think they need saved from it anymore than I think we all could sometimes stand to be saved from our not seeing the music through our obsession with the gear we play it on.

EDIT: Similost said the same thing better.
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+ 1 on both posts. If I know someone with an interest I tell them as much as they want to know. Nothing more and nothing less. I have a new friend here at work who has one of the nicest record collections that I know of. Lots of early pressings of Rock and Jazz...she plays them on some kind of very cheap all in one. Guess what, she loves music every bit as much as I do. She sings at her cubicle and freely admits that music means everything to her...same as I do...and it's ok.
 
There's hope.

Some of us actually care about what bounces off our eardrums and whether or not it's of good quality.
 
45rpm said:
There's hope.

Some of us actually care about what bounces off our eardrums and whether or not it's of good quality.
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Yep, some of us do care, but it doesn't mean I have to fret what others are doing, and have to try and drag them down my path.... I never talk to anyone at work about music or gear unless they bring it up first, and that's almost never, and bunch of them listen to cheap buds on their phones all day.
 
AC-1250 said:
I have said this many times and with the greatest amount of respect...Most young people have no idea just how bad today's audio sounds.. That is because many of them don't any better.. I don't mean this as a put-down to young people in any way shape or form. I have 2 step Grand kids of my own, and I wouldn't trade them for anything..What I am saying is that they have never heard a vintage audio system,and haven't a clue as to what their favorite music would sound like being played on something like a Pioneer 1250, system,unless they have an old ''Grandpa, (like me) that has one..
I can hardly wait to see their reaction when I get my 1250 up and running.. I don't know about my Granddaughter, but my Grandson is liable to want one...
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Its kind of how people who run vintage audio systems have never heard a modern audio system done right. I feel sad for them, really, because they have no idea what they're missing. Can you imagine not knowing what kind of clarity and imaging you could have? Maybe its better to live in ignorance. I mean, I guess you can listen to music on an SX-1280 but do they have any idea what the complexity of that preamp section is doing to phase and signal purity? And those speakers. Boxes filled with internal reflections and crossovers made without the help of computers to the point where some were just a guess. I don't know how they do it. And those same tired songs that they've heard a thousand times to the point where they can tell where every little noise is, where they notice the screech of a finger on the fretboard because the song itself has long since passed into overly familiar acceptance. It's like if they heard a new song that they didn't even know the words to, they'd freak.

(It sounds awfully condescending when its turned on you, doesn't it?).
 
313guy said:
I have kids aged 22, 20 and 16. Their taste in music has been influenced by mine, but not completely. They each developed their own and ultimately fed it back to me. If not for them I may never have heard of Cake, Streetlight Manifesto or The Mars Volta. Not obscure, but not getting a lot of mainstream attention either.

As to the delivery method, they all have an appreciation for good systems. The difference is they don't insist on it. They like their music for the music. They don't care if it is through ear buds or via the aux input on my pre amp.

The phenomenon that strikes me with the younger folk is the absence of the shared experience of music. Growing up, we sat in a room and all listened to the same song. Heck, we still do it at SMAC meets. Amongst the young, now everyone has their own playlist and player. To me that kind of kills the social aspect of the listening experience.

So yeah, we're doomed....it all ends this December baby.
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Imagine going to a concert and there were no speakers. No amps. No musicians. Everybody wearing earbuds and tuned into an ipod. All listening to different music. The venue is silent. Everyone is dancing out of phase.

Or a venue where a live group plays but there are no speakers. The audience has only earbuds to hear the music. What kind of experience would that be?

Or a Bose Wave to reproduce the dynamics of a live performance...

C'mon, that's why we enjoy our systems. Not some docking station or earbuds. Whether modern or vintage it's a requirement needed to hear the music as it was intended to be heard by the musicians.
 
My dad had a great system and I loved it. McIntosh separates and Bozak speakers. But for my room he got me a Soundesign receiver using little speakers that came with it, and a Sony TC-252D recorder... no turntable. After that I got a nice pair of Koss phones. Loved them... got the bug from then on.
 
Tapehead47 said:
C'mon, that's why we enjoy our systems. Not some docking station or earbuds. Whether modern or vintage it's a requirement needed to hear the music as it was intended to be heard by the musicians.
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What if I do enjoy my music on my earbuds?

I have yet to see liner notes in a CD or LP stating "this album should only be played on a mid-70s receiver through really big speaker and never through earbuds."

My guess, based on the limited contact I've had with professional musicians, is that they just want people to listen to their music and enjoy it. They (the ones I've met) don't seem to care whether it's an ipod, a car stereo, the ceiling speakers at Applebee's, or a $200,000 system in a dedicated listening bunker as long as the listener is somehow touched by the music.
 
hear the music as it was intended to be heard by the musicians.
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I never got that... Heard it a few times around here.... Seems to me the musicians meant for me, the audience, to hear it...

What do they care how I hear it, so long as I am hearing it, and spending more money on their stuff while telling friends how great the band is... Not how great my sound system is..
 
I get your drift, Simi, Ray. So why don't you just exchange your gear for a Bose Wave and be done with all that extraneous stuff? The music would sound just as good, wouldn't it?

And think of all the money you'd save, and the extra room your houses would have!:yes:
 
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Guess we all have different agendas.........................................

I want mine to sound good to me.. Don't really care about what other's sound like. As long as they are happy with a 24kbp mp3 on a cheap phone so am I.. I'm diggin my music..

we need a :shrug: smiley
 
BTW, the majority of my listening is done every day with Pandora on cheap computer speakers turned down, and I'm quite content...
 
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