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What I decided to do

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Dustin_Broke

Dustin_Broke

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Well what I decided to do was to sell my JBL Control 1 speakers and buy a new pair of JBL Control 1Xtreme since basicly both are same speakers but the Xtreme is 8 ohms. If I use the Xtreme version of the Control 1 it should work on any receivers since most receivers are rated 8 ohms or higher. I will get then tomorrow or friday at most and I will test them out and see if my receiver gets hot at all. Since right now I' am using a Pioneer SX-255R receiver which is rated for 8-16 ohms. This will be interesting to me since I know that how loud my speakers can go and when it starts to get really hot on the receiver so I can test and see how much cooler the receiver will be when I have it up loud using the Xtreme speakers.


The first pair of JBL Control 1Xtreme I got was used and while it was on the shipping process I found a new pair of the same speakers but it costed more. I refused the package for the used one and did get a refund for it.


I did put an auction on Ebay for my JBL Control 1 and also I did replace two woofers with new original ones so they sound like new.
 
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I just think from what people have said on many other forums that it's too risky to use 4 ohms speakers on a 8 ohms receiver. It seems like though that if I don't have it loud and have it around med volume then it's fine but if I have it loud then that's why problems starts like the receiver getting too hot.
 
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Dustin_Broke said:
The first pair of JBL Control 1Xtreme I got was used and while it was on the shipping process I found a new pair of the same speakers but it costed more. I refused the package for the used one and did get a refund for it.
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While the new speakers may have cost you more then the used ones you agreed to buy, the poor schlep whose package you refused still had to pay packaging and shipping, probably both ways. So, he paid for your buyers remorse.

Proud of yourself?
 
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I would suggest doing research before buying. This will save you time and money and you won't be constantly doing very small steps in your audio journey. And had I been the one selling you the 1Xtreme that you backed out on, I'd be P.O.'d to say the least
 
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While the new speakers may have "costed" you more then the used ones you agreed to buy, the poor schlep whose package you refused still had to pay packaging and shipping, probably both ways. So, he paid for your buyers remorse.

Proud of yourself?
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I was reading your post, but then saw a new one I liked better so I refused to finish yours and
 
"The first pair of JBL Control 1Xtreme I got was used and while it was on the shipping process I found a new pair of the same speakers but it costed more. I refused the package for the used one and did get a refund for it."


Wow!! What a crappy thing to do to someone. You should have accepted the used speakers and sold them if you didn't want them anymore, but I guess it's all about you huh?:thumbsdn:
 
I don't know but is it that bad to do what I did? I thought it would be the easiest to just send it back too the sender and then get a refund? I done it with other things many times and no one got mad or said not to do this again. It's alot faster to get a refund then reselling it. Its like going to the store and showing your recept and getting a refund.



I mean if you no longer need an item it's normal to send it back and get a refund.
 
Dustin, the concern is that you didn't "send it back". Instead, you refused a shipment of something that you agreed to buy, and so the seller was out the shipping when he did nothing to deserve that. While it's sure easier to do that, the better way to handle it would have been to do exactly what you know is the other way, which is to accept the item that you bought fair and square, and then you can take care of reselling it, or whatever you choose to do with it.
 
So all these times I refused the packages on pc games, speakers, receivers etc in the past like 3 years was bad? If it was why no one said anything to me? I thought it was fine to just basicly send it back to the seller. I remember when I even talked to Amazon.com support and when I have something I didn't need they said to refuse the package so it will be send back and then they will refund me.
 
The packages that you refused were sent from the seller, to you, and then back to the seller.

Who do you think paid for that two-way shipping?

Edit: Unless you ONLY received a refund for the price of the item, but not for the shipping. In that case, it's fine.
 
I basicly learned about refusing from Amazon.com since they always say that if you no longer need an item just refuse it and it will get refunded. There were nice to me about it.
 
There are two separate issues here, and we need to discuss them separately, otherwise it's going to get confusing.

1. Amazon's success, and the success of its affiliate sellers, depends 100% on having happy customers. As part of that commitment, they allow customers to refuse a shipment, because sometimes things get bought and the buyer decides he doesn't want it, for whatever reason. So, as part of keeping customers happy, when the seller pays for shipping to get his item back, it's part of "the cost of doing business".

2. This is NOT an open invitation for one particular customer to do this as a regular thing. It's not an excuse for just buying stuff without thinking about it, because you can always "just refuse it". It's is absolutely intended for those rare situations where the purchase turned out to be the wrong thing.


Somebody has to pay for that shipping, and it's just not fair to stick it to the seller because you bought something before you were certain that you really wanted it.

I'm really just trying to help you understand why some of the guys are upset with you. You need to give some thought to how you go about buying things online.
 
Amazon is only the middle man, you can be sure that the shipping expenses back to the seller. It's like when a credit card company tells the cardholder that they are protected against unauthorized use of the card: Visa will issue you a refund if I use your card to by a burger, but Visa will withdraw that same amount from the burger joint's bank automatically. So you and Visa are fine, store owner is out of luck. In your case you are refunded, and Amazon charges the seller for all of the shipping fees, that's why they have no problem with you refusing it.
 
Well if I pay for the shipping when I buy an item and then refuse it I don't know this part but does it get charged even to refuse a package like meaning it cost both ways? I thought that if you refuse a package it only cost the amount you send it to the person. Example I paid $10 for shipping an item then I refuse it then will it only still be a total of $10 that I paid for? Or does it cost another $10 to send it back when you refuse the package?


What about stores that have free shipping? I noticed that if I buy something and refuse it and then I do get a full refund on it.
 
prisoners is correct. I would add that even if it's not an 'individual' seller using a venue (like Amazon or ebay), but instead it's a retail seller like, say, Best Buy, they're still going to eat the shipping and it raises their costs, which raises the price for everyone else. The costs are passed on to the customers one way or another. So, thoughtful people try to avoid doing it because it costs everybody in the end.

I know a former waitress who takes salt shakers, silverware and dishes from restaurants when she's eating out. She says it's all part of the cost of doing business. Yeah, but the menu price is just a tad bit higher for the rest of us, while she gets free stuff. Not that you're stealing, I'm just using it as an example of how the costs to the business go back into the price for everybody.

[edit: I see I was typing while you were posting. That's a good question and I don't know the answer, hopefully someone else will]
 
10 bucks for shipping to you. 10 bucks for sending it back. the seller is out 20 bucks. not to mention the fact that the seller might of had to pack the speakers in the first place which takes time. its a real wash to the seller if this is a private sale and the seller is selling his personal item to you. that's why alot of people reading this are a little miffed. Hope this helps you.
 
Well all I know is that I learned about refusing was from Amazon since they kept saying if you no longer want it you can just refuse it and it didn't cost me any money to do this. That's why I thought it was ok to do it on anything else but maybe it's different. But it seems like even at stores it's not good to do it since you guys said it would make the prices go higher on everything. I guess I will from now on just sell the stuff I don't want instead of refusing.
 
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