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What Market Segment?

Theophilus Punoval

The Queen says it's OK...
I was hoping to find out which segment of the market the AR 2ax was aimed at, or "at which the AR 2ax was aimed" if you're a stickler about grammar. Also, what years were they made and what are the characteristics of their "sound"?

Thanks.
 
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They were aimed at people to whom snotty ads featuring Miles Davis appealed; a mature group with a little extra dough and pretensions to cultural refinement. A speaker for Volvo drivers so to speak.

I remember the sound as being muffled and dead; foggy midrange and rolled off highs. Decent bass. However these impressions are tempered by the fact that I liked Heresys at the time.
 
They were aimed at people to whom snotty ads featuring Miles Davis appealed; a mature group with a little extra dough and pretensions to cultural refinement. A speaker for Volvo drivers so to speak.

I beg your pardon, aren't you - ahem - stereotyping people a bit?

My last car was a Volvo but I'm completely broke and a total slob. I like snotty ads, though.

So what you described were the yuppies of yesteryear? They sound like the Boomers of today.
 
AR-2ax positioning in the market

When I was the 70salesguy (obviously in the 70s, duh), the AR-2ax was my favorite of all the AR models at the time. I found it to be the most "dynamic" of the AR speakers at the time, if one can even apply that term to an AR speaker.

Looking at AR models that were available and their list prices in late 1972 or early 1973, it looks like this:

AR 7 : $120 pair
AR 4x : $70
AR 6 : $81
AR 2ax : $128
AR 5 : $175
AR3a : $250

As you can see, the 2ax was at the very popular 125 price point. They were usually available for a little less, the Dixie Hi-Fi catalog offered them at $89 each at this time. They probably could have been purchased in most larger audio stores for around $110 each at this time.

At this time, the KLH 6 listed for $134 each, the Dynaco A-25 listed for $79 each, the A-35 for $119 each. The Fisher XP99 listed for $119 each.

IMHO, the AR-2ax was targeted to a younger clientele, who were looking for a moderately priced speaker that would be a better performer for "popular" music. It was and is by no means, a "rock" speaker. But I liked the sound of the 2ax much better than the 3a, and it was about half the price.
 
Worth remembering that acoustic suspension speakers came onto the market about the same time as stereo started becoming common. At the the time, if you wanted a speaker with decent bass, your choice was of large and larger speakers. Otherwise, you had boomy bass, and not very deep bass either. Few people want or can afford the space and money for a pair of Klipschorns or Bozak Concert Grands.
So along comes AR with small speakers that do produce very low bass, are smoother and lower distortion than competitive speakers, and they are relatively affordable. Their lack of efficiency was not a problem since push pull amps like the Williamson had made higher power widely available. Add to that the intelligent informative advertising that Ed Vilchur produced, and you had a product that sold itself -- if memory serves, at some point AR had a third of the market.
Sure the ARs were duller sounding (because they had smoother response), but most cartridges at the time were peaky, and other common sources were pretty rolled off to begin with, so not much may have been lost, and some benefit was certainly gained.
I disagree vehemently with the comments about pointyheaded Volvo drivers types -- I don't see intelligence as a cardinal sin, and be real -- all audio equipment ads back then were aimed at the mid and upper classes, since audio was expensive back then. You don't capture that amount of market share with just the poser market. And just who do you think JBL, Altec, Bozak, Klipsch and so on were advertising to? It was a time when the middle class was expanding rapidly, and wanted the appurtenances of upper class life. And serious jazz was actually popular then -- why wouldn't AR use popular musicians in ads?
 
I seem to recall that AR's, in the early 70"s were considered "accurate" speakers which did not "color" the music. I shipped a pair of AR3a's home from VN in 1971 and just hated them--flat sounding, boring; sold them. A year or so later I got a pair of AR4x's just to try again--still hated them, still flat sounding. However, many many people back then swore by them. As I recall, AR's were all sealed enclosure "acoustic suspension" designs and were at odds with the JBL ported types. If I remember correctly the larger AR's took a lot more power to drive at loud levels than similar size JBLs.
 
They were aimed at people to whom snotty ads featuring Miles Davis appealed; a mature group with a little extra dough and pretensions to cultural refinement. A speaker for Volvo drivers so to speak.

I remember the sound as being muffled and dead; foggy midrange and rolled off highs. Decent bass. However these impressions are tempered by the fact that I liked Heresys at the time.

I beg your pardon, aren't you - ahem - stereotyping people a bit?

My last car was a Volvo but I'm completely broke and a total slob. I like snotty ads, though.

So what you described were the yuppies of yesteryear? They sound like the Boomers of today.

Now we've added a second layer of stereotyping...

Not sure I get it. Is liking Miles Davis pretentious and/or snotty?

Odd posts.
 
AR-2 1957 to 1964 96.00$

AR-2A 1959 to 1969 122.00$

AR-2X -Early- 1964 to 1970 102.00$

AR-2AX -Early- 1964 to 1970 165.00$

AR-2X -Late- 1970 to 1970 Price: Unknown Prob same as the early one

AR-2AX -Late- 1970 to 1976 Price: Unknown "

From the beginning they were not aimed at any particular market. After a while, in general, people put them in the Jazz, Classical, and easy listening market, and soon after the company ran with it, advertising them as perfect for Jazz.

How do they sound, I don't know, never heard these models.

Although Miles Davis was a very pretentious musician, albeit an excellent pretentious musician, does not mean that people who like his music are pretentious.
I don't think I'm, you'll have to ask my wife, she knows me best. By the way I drive a 1999 Mazda 626.
 
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I still remember laughing the first time I heard the old expression "Volvo--the car you drive when your life is over". Of course I do not necessarily believe this........LOL
 
Liking Miles Davis is not pretentious.

Telling people you like Miles Davis is pretentious.

\:^)

Doug
 
These posts that state that one group is more pretentious or backward than the other are divisive. Folks who enjoy the music of Miles Davis are no more likely to be pretentious than those who enjoy Lynyrd Skynyrd are to be "rednecks" (whatever that means). I enjoy both and am neither.
 
AR also had ads with Louis Armstrong, Judy Collins and other musicians, so there is probably someone to irritate or inspire everyone.
I will admit the seeing a 70's Jensen ad with the lead singer for REO Speedwagon (Kevin Coyne??) didn't have the effect on me than Jensen obviously hoped it would.
 
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