Who says jazz is always better on lp?

[daza152]

I wouldn't buy more than a handful, as there is too much great music on cd going for $1 to $8 a disc on cd.

Sounds like your driven by price there, mate! What if quality re-issues were the same price as your $8 CD's what then? and have you got a time machine?

But Seriously Mrt2 in your opinion please, what is the best quality re-issue on vinyl for the Blue Train LP? of course not counting the un-affordable 45rpm box set. Thanks buddy....:thmbsp:

Daza.

 

[reggaenaut]

I prefer the Lp format, because to me an Lp is more than music: it is also art. CDs being so physically small can not compete with Lps from that perspective. Sometimes I buy Lps just because of the covers: pictures of the artist when they were young, historical sites, black and white, abstracts.:thmbsp:

Miles Davis Quintet: Live at 1963 Monterey Jazz Festival was never issued in the Lp format. A damn shame! Some cover!

 

[daza152]

I prefer the Lp format, because to me an Lp is more than music: it is also art. CDs being so physically small can not compete with Lps from that perspective. Sometimes I buy Lps just because of the covers: pictures of the artist when they were young, historical sites, black and white, abstracts.:thmbsp:

+1:thmbsp:

Daza.

 

[the_nines]

OK, Tongue in Cheek here, but will you please just tell me if I need the 93 or 97 pressing of Blue Train....and hurry mate the auction is ending soon!

Sorry could not resist.

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

[niklasthedol]

Comparing same music on CD and LP can go both ways.

One Lp that for sure sound great is my Stuff & Steff and when I purchased same one on CD I got so disappointed.

Statistics in my collection say that it most of the time is the LP comming out most natural, open and rich.

That is, of course, if I don't count in all my open reel master tapes.

"dolph"

 

[olson_jr]

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

9's ~ If you think that is amusing look at post 21

 

[mrt2]

Sounds like your driven by price there, mate! What if quality re-issues were the same price as your $8 CD's what then? and have you got a time machine?

But Seriously Mrt2 in your opinion please, what is the best quality re-issue on vinyl for the Blue Train LP? of course not counting the un-affordable 45rpm box set. Thanks buddy....:thmbsp:

Daza.

Yes, price is important. I have over 1,000 jazz titles in my collection, and that is just scratching the surface of our recorded legacy. I would like to explore at least another 1,000 or even 2,000 recordings in the next 20 years, and that can't happen if I have to spend $50 or $100 for recordings I have owned for years. And, I believe we are at the end of the era of physical formats, so I don't want to pay a lot for something about to become obsolete.

10 to 15 years ago, the lp reissue did compete with the cds on price, were pretty much comparable. I bought a bunch of them; Lee Morgan's the Sidewinder, Eric Dolphy's Out to Luch, Oliver Nelson's Blues and the Abstract Truth. Know what? Those Blue Note lp reissues from the 90s were nothing special. They sounded dull, rolled off. I had much better luck with those Liberty pressings of classic Blue Note material. As for stuff from the Fantasy catalog, the common OJC pressings generally sounded fine, and the price was right.

So I generally avoided those 90s Blue Note lps. They certainly looked nice, but the sound was nothing great. Then Blue Note released all those trebly RVG cd reissues, and that was just as bad. I finally settled on the older McMaster cds, or Liberty pressing lps as the best compromise of decent sound at a reasonable price. Maybe in New Zealand, you can find good deals on Japanese imports.

I can't help you further with Blue Train, as I bought the cd in '97 and never looked back.

 

[daza152]

9's ~ If you think that is amusing look at post 21

:finger:

Yes, price is important. I have over 1,000 jazz titles in my collection, and that is just scratching the surface of our recorded legacy. I would like to explore at least another 1,000 or even 2,000 recordings in the next 20 years, and that can't happen if I have to spend $50 or $100 for recordings I have owned for years. And, I believe we are at the end of the era of physical formats, so I don't want to pay a lot for something about to become obsolete.

10 to 15 years ago, the lp reissue did compete with the cds on price, were pretty much comparable. I bought a bunch of them; Lee Morgan's the Sidewinder, Eric Dolphy's Out to Luch, Oliver Nelson's Blues and the Abstract Truth. Know what? Those Blue Note lp reissues from the 90s were nothing special. They sounded dull, rolled off. I had much better luck with those Liberty pressings of classic Blue Note material. As for stuff from the Fantasy catalog, the common OJC pressings generally sounded fine, and the price was right.

So I generally avoided those 90s Blue Note lps. They certainly looked nice, but the sound was nothing great. Then Blue Note released all those trebly RVG cd reissues, and that was just as bad. I finally settled on the older McMaster cds, or Liberty pressing lps as the best compromise of decent sound at a reasonable price. Maybe in New Zealand, you can find good deals on Japanese imports.

I can't help you further with Blue Train, as I bought the cd in '97 and never looked back.

Thanks mate for the solid advice it was very insightful, and I appreciate your point on price, My more expensive LP's I have regrrets spending so much and not playing them. I also will keep an eye out for a good quality CD player :thmbsp:

 

[mrt2]

:finger:



Thanks mate for the solid advice it was very insightful, and I appreciate your point on price, My more expensive LP's I have regrrets spending so much and not playing them. I also will keep an eye out for a good quality CD player :thmbsp:

Or, you could skip the cd player and make the switch to a computer/DAC for digital playback. I have not made that move yet, but there are those using a device called Squeezebox, and many of these folks haven't looked back. And, such a system is fully compatible with cds.

 

[se7enMMBsg]

.....i'll be using physical format(s) until they plant me in the ground - I'm 41 next week - I, personally, have zero interest in hard drive storage medium(s) for music playing "at home"; simply not a tactile experience for me and, hell yeah, that's very important to me personally.

~PEACE ALL

 

[mrt2]

.....i'll be using physical format(s) until they plant me in the ground - I'm 41 next week - I, personally, have zero interest in hard drive storage medium(s) for music playing "at home"; simply not a tactile experience for me and, hell yeah, that's very important to me personally.

~PEACE ALL

I hear you. I also enjoy a physical format, otherwise I would not have spent relatively big bucks last year on a new Arcam cd player.

But, I am intrigued by the possibility of a system that allows instant access to my entire cd collection, ripped to lossless and played back through a high end DAC, with sound quality equal to or better than the very best cd players currently on the market. I imagine that with the right user interface, I would enjoy more of my collection than I do now, with reminders of cds I haven't heard in a long time, or even suggestions for further listening based on what I have played recently, or links to video, or essays, even discussions on internet forums. And going forward, the thought of instant access of my entire collection through a cell phone/ipod/zune device so I could listen wherever I happened to be is equally intriguing. The technology is almost there.

 

[MichaelJ]

I have great sounding LP's and CD's. I also have really bad sounding LP's and CD's. All things being equal, I prefer to have music on vinyl. I like the process of playing an LP. I like the big cover and having liner notes I can read. But I do buy Jazz CD's and will continue to do so. And yeah, if I see Jazz on open reel, I'm all over that too. Really, it's the music it's self that matters.

 

[reggaenaut]

I hear you. I also enjoy a physical format, otherwise I would not have spent relatively big bucks last year on a new Arcam cd player.

But, I am intrigued by the possibility of a system that allows instant access to my entire cd collection, ripped to lossless and played back through a high end DAC, with sound quality equal to or better than the very best cd players currently on the market. I imagine that with the right user interface, I would enjoy more of my collection than I do now, with reminders of cds I haven't heard in a long time, or even suggestions for further listening based on what I have played recently, or links to video, or essays, even discussions on internet forums. And going forward, the thought of instant access of my entire collection through a cell phone/ipod/zune device so I could listen wherever I happened to be is equally intriguing. The technology is almost there.

I hear you!

 

[olson_jr]

:finger:

That is pretty definitive stance for you Daza, are you sure you don't need to start a couple of new threads to sort out your thoughts and solidify your stance?

You know, what is the best way to tell olson to F~off, one finger or two fingers?:scratch2:

BTW, i just picked up a 97 pressing of Blue Train, I will let you know how it sounds once I get it cleaned and have a listen!

 

[daza152]

That is pretty definitive stance for you Daza, are you sure you don't need to start a couple of new threads to sort out your thoughts and solidify your stance?

You know, what is the best way to tell olson to F~off, one finger or two fingers?:scratch2:

BTW, i just picked up a 97 pressing of Blue Train, I will let you know how it sounds once I get it cleaned and have a listen!

I would take it back if I could mate, I was just pissed off at the time when you were telling someone else to check out one of my posts with a
sign and if it was about a time machine mrt2 brought that up, apparantly he has access to one?? if I get on his good side I'll ask to borrow it on weekends.
Hey and seriously now, didn't mrt2 just warn us that the re-issues from the 90's suck? that was the impression I got. But hey he isn't even into vinyl anyway... kidding!

BTW...Check out my other threads too.

Daza. (Olsen jr's mate)

 

[mrt2]

I would take it back if I could mate, I was just pissed off at the time when you were telling someone else to check out one of my posts with a
sign and if it was about a time machine mrt2 brought that up, apparantly he has access to one?? if I get on his good side I'll ask to borrow it on weekends.
Hey and seriously now, didn't mrt2 just warn us that the re-issues from the 90's suck? that was the impression I got. But hey he isn't even into vinyl anyway... kidding!

BTW...Check out my other threads too.

Daza. (Olsen jr's mate)

I said the ones I bought were nothing special, played back on my system. Obviously, YMMV.

 

[KentTeffeteller]

mrt2,

Blue Train was recorded in 1958. That tape has had a lot of use and almost went missing for good when United Artists ordered many of the original masters to be dubbed to Dolby A copy tapes and the originals discarded. Steve Hoffman discussed this on his forum and they finally found that tape for the Music Matters reissue. Those old tapes were acetate backed and required much care. The Mapleshade record you refer to was recorded recently and is an original mastering. Blue Note didn't have pre-recorded tapes available until after Liberty's purchase of the label in 1967. Those tapes are good quality 1/4 track, 7 1/2 IPS dubs but very few exist and they fetch really high dollar nowadays.

 

[mrt2]

mrt2,

Blue Train was recorded in 1958. That tape has had a lot of use and almost went missing for good when United Artists ordered many of the original masters to be dubbed to Dolby A copy tapes and the originals discarded. Steve Hoffman discussed this on his forum and they finally found that tape for the Music Matters reissue. Those old tapes were acetate backed and required much care. The Mapleshade record you refer to was recorded recently and is an original mastering. Blue Note didn't have pre-recorded tapes available until after Liberty's purchase of the label in 1967. Those tapes are good quality 1/4 track, 7 1/2 IPS dubs but very few exist and they fetch really high dollar nowadays.

:saywhat: Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.

 

[KeninDC]

Btw, I have been buying up all the OJC cds I can get.

The majority of my CD jazz collection is OJC titles. I grab 'em by the handful when I see them at the local used CD shop.

I also prefer the older Ron McMaster mastered Rudy Van Gelder recorded CDs to the newer, Rudy Van Gelder remastered CDs. I find the later RVG's a bit more trebly. That being said, the RVG series is still quite good and highlights some of RVG's best recordings. If you see "RVG," you know it is good.

Of course, "RVG" in the deadwax on vinyl is the true stamp of deep groove quality.

Ken

 

[the_nines]

You know, what is the best way to tell olson to F~off, one finger or two fingers?:scratch2:

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

I think I just busted a gut.

Sheeesh.