No, they don't.
Here's Radio Ga Ga by Queen, ripped from the 1991 Greatest Hits II CD:
And here's the same song, downloaded from Apple Music:
It stinks.
Why is Streaming so much better than anything else?
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Here's Radio Ga Ga by Queen, ripped from the 1991 Greatest Hits II CD:
And here's the same song, downloaded from Apple Music:
It stinks.
American Beauty.
Amazon says 2013 remaster so must be the lemieux.
I shd put the LP on & do a head to head comparison.
Listening in a room thats not fully treated yet via speakers that are reputed to be (& seem to be) pretty neutral but are not fully broken in.
So, could be that but I really haven't noticed other music to be bass or drum heavy.
Maybe shd listen to other selections fm Amer B & see how they sound.
Would like to hear the Glasser remaster sometime.
Tnx for posting the link. Interesting read.
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I know some people that think they are all just random people remastering and remixing, when in fact it is often band members/producers and labels.
Well there is the problem. Not surprised here.
I just looked/listened to American Beauty-Friend of the Devil on Amazon Music. It's the 2013 remaster. Actually sounded pretty good to my old ears.
Measured with loudness normalization off? And any other digital processing "features" they make available?
MaxP
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My apologies, thanks for the correctionThat would make you a blastreamer.
Didn't seem to you that drums & bass were featured over lead guitar?
Maybe its just me; altho thats pretty unlikely.
jazzmans
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Didn't seem to you that drums & bass were featured over lead guitar?
Maybe its just me; altho thats pretty unlikely.
I'll have to listen to the original LP to compare. My comment was in the absolute sense, not comparative.
Didn't seem to you that drums & bass were featured over lead guitar?
Maybe its just me; altho thats pretty unlikely.
OK, I listened to the LP this afternoon (the original 1970 release). Hard to compare it to the 2013 digital version because the LP is not in the best of shape (it was a mainstay during my college years and through my 20s, so it got a LOT of play and not the best of care!). It has been well cleaned and well-taken care of since then!
That said, I didn't really notice any difference in the mix. My takeaway is that the 2013 version has a more detailed sound than the LP and better separation of the instruments and more distinct vocals. I did only a cursory level match (be ear) as I switched back and forth.
I'm FAR from an expert on Grateful Dead recordings, or the recording/production process. All I can tell you is how it sounded to me. In this case, I prefer the streamed 2013 version to my original LP.
I got curious and did some reading about other versions, and now I want to hear the 2013 Glasser/Plangent-process remaster for The Grateful Dead Complete Studio Albums Collection.
jazzmans
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I'm going to have to look, I don't know if I have the 2013 remastered complete studio albums or the 2020, or the 2013 studio albums AND the 2020 American Beauty/Workingmans dead.... I do know that all my original studio dead CDs are the nineties releases, and all my dicks/daves picks along with the 'from the vaults' are all the original cd releases.... then it gets fuzzy.
I do not own a single GD lp. By the time I discovered the dead, i was buying cds. My first dead albums were ( on cassette) greatest hits, Touch of Grey, and What a long strange trip (remember columbia records 12 for a penny?). By the time Without a net/ Built to last was released I was buying cd's.
Dammnit. I don't need a damn dead remaster rabbit hole, but there you go.
Signed a Touch head who thinks they're the greatest goddamn band ever, ever, even now. I saw Dead & Co at the sphere, it was amazing! I'll likely see them again, as they just announced a new run in march/april/may. The Sphere is pretty damn amazing, and it has 'perfect' sound.
OK. I listened to my WB LP from the '70's (I don't remember when I bought it).
Seems that song does not feature Garcias guitar.
Other cuts do, but not that one. So, my memory was faulty.
The remaster seems faithful to the original.
Interesting conversations about the remasters tho.
I've heard from multiple folks that their shows are very much worth seeking out but I have not heard them myself.
Seems like its an opportunity.
I should read the entire thread but my setup is pretty basic.
For a long time it was a raspberry pi+hat dac, Mac pre, and Kenwood mono blocks. And my tt.
I have my uncle's jazz collection from the 50s and 60s and my aunt's jazz collection (similar vintage). They played their records without much thought about sonic qualities. My guess less than 1000 jazz albums but most are cleaned from my ultrasound cleaner and stored in anti-static liners... Very fun to enjoy.
I 'stream' my vinyl rips and CD rips from my local nas. A lot of work to rip, split, tag, ...
A few years later I would stream a college jazz station (ksds in San Diego) in the mornings and my local jazz radio station in the afternoons. Pretty much every day. It might have been during COVID when we all worked from home.
My buddy came over and thought I should have a CD player so I put in my sacd player. I just bought a Billy Cobham CD so I could play it.
My guess I 'stream' 95% or more of my music or the two radio stations.
I try real hard to enjoy my music and don't use Spotify, Amazon music, or other music streaming services.
For a long time it was a raspberry pi+hat dac, Mac pre, and Kenwood mono blocks. And my tt.
I have my uncle's jazz collection from the 50s and 60s and my aunt's jazz collection (similar vintage). They played their records without much thought about sonic qualities. My guess less than 1000 jazz albums but most are cleaned from my ultrasound cleaner and stored in anti-static liners... Very fun to enjoy.
I 'stream' my vinyl rips and CD rips from my local nas. A lot of work to rip, split, tag, ...
A few years later I would stream a college jazz station (ksds in San Diego) in the mornings and my local jazz radio station in the afternoons. Pretty much every day. It might have been during COVID when we all worked from home.
My buddy came over and thought I should have a CD player so I put in my sacd player. I just bought a Billy Cobham CD so I could play it.
My guess I 'stream' 95% or more of my music or the two radio stations.
I try real hard to enjoy my music and don't use Spotify, Amazon music, or other music streaming services.
I don't know, I just downloaded the file from the iTunes Store and opened it in Audacity and in DROffline. That's how the file they offer actually looks like, no matter which app you use to play it.
Yup.
In this case, though, I wouldn't blame Apple. I don't think they did anything to alter the file. I think they just happened to use a newer CD as a source. Mine is from 1991, before the loudness wars began. They may have used a more recent remaster.
I don't mean to thrash Apple; I'm merely pointing out that streaming doesn't necessarily mean high quality. The GIGO rule still applies.
On the other hand, people who listen to this overly compressed trash in sub-optimal conditions, in AirPods, or with a cheap portable bluetooth speaker, or in the car, will find it better sounding than the proper thing. A properly mastered, dynamic song is hard to listen to in noisy environments with cheap equipment, whereas the compressed stuff isn't. So they will consider the latter to be of higher quality than the former.
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mrehorst
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Last night my girlfriend (I mean my HOT girlfriend) was telling me about how she finds volume level changes on vinyl records annoying compared to apple music streaming where everything seems to play at the same volume level. Do they compress the hell out of everything, or use something like replaygain tags?