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Why is vintage/new JBL so expensive?

Why are vintage JBL speakers costly. Those people who bought 70s and 80s versions probably sold what they had long ago. Now there is a nostalgia for those speakers, thus driving the price up. I’m sure present day JBL is trying to cash in on that nostalgia and now you have the new L100s listing at $4000.
 
Why are vintage JBL speakers costly. Those people who bought 70s and 80s versions probably sold what they had long ago. Now there is a nostalgia for those speakers, thus driving the price up. I’m sure present day JBL is trying to cash in on that nostalgia and now you have the new L100s listing at $4000.
"Present Day JBL" is gone -
Any of the older engineers have retired or were forced out.
Then Harman CEO Paliwali sold out Harman -
its all owned by Samsung now ...
 
"Present Day JBL" is gone -
Any of the older engineers have retired or were forced out.
Then Harman CEO Paliwali sold out Harman -
its all owned by Samsung now ...
Maybe there’s hope that Jbl will be the big
Name Samsung needs to play in the High end
Big money
And Prosound fields
Bobhorn
 
I’m sure present day JBL is trying to cash in on that nostalgia and now you have the new L100s listing at $4000.
$4k for the new L100 Classics is likely less than what the original cost in its day, corrected for inflation. I know I paid $1000 for a pair of L112s back in 1982. My first JBL was the 030 my Dad brought into our house back in 1957, and I still have it today. Every time I listen to my LSR305s I can't believe what JBL can accomplish at a $200-per-pair price point—amps included! I'm a loyal JBL fan because that's what I've listened to for over 60-years and today my main system with 4345 clones impresses me more than anything i've ever had the opportunity to listen to. Not all vintage JBLs are pricey. I consider my L96, 4412A, L5, and L7s to be exceptional performers by any standard, and none of them cost me over $200. Now, would I sell them for that? Hell no!

I've found over my many years of hi-fi as a hobby, that those who condemn, demean, or debase JBLs are usually doing so having experienced only L100 Centuries, or some other bad example. Or, they simply parrot what they've read on forums like this, and perhaps have never actually listened to a pair of good JBLs. But that's okay because I feel the same about Klipsch speakers. Every time I hear a pair I wonder where that bass went. I have an audio-engineer friend who loves his stacked Heresy system powered by way too many large Adcom amps. I just can't wait to get home!
 
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More people want to buy them than sell them.
“Why is that?”, you may ask.
Well, I am far from being an expert or a hi-fi guru, but my guess is that vintage JBL earned its favor and reputation among consumers. Of course, marketing helped a great deal. Ads and reviews in periodicals back in the ‘70s solidified their market value then, and the true quality of the product supports their value today.
As far as whether or not you could build a speaker system as good as or even better than a JBL for less money than you can buy one, the answer is probably yes. But few people are willing or able to do so. And if you were to build such a speaker, it would not be a JBL, so you would not have the benefit of brand name when selling it.
Then there is the prestige factor. We know that some folks will pay way more for a pair of jeans with a designer label than they will pay for jeans from the farm supply store. Even though the jeans from the farm store are better quality. Have to have a shrink explain that.
I don’t know about more modern JBLs, but the older stuff from the ‘60s-‘80s produced clean sound up to their defined power handling specifications. Lesser quality speakers will get loud, but your ears don’t like it because of distortion. Better quality speakers get loud and you want to turn them up some more.
Anyways, they cost a lot because they are worth it.
 
Really??
Points of fact:
According to LH, in 1971 a pair of L100s cost $546. Using the government Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator from Jan 1971 to last month that would be $3,528.53 today. I thought fair-trade legislation outlawed manufacturers fixing prices years ago, but can you tell me there's not a Synthesis dealer anywhere who would not discount a pair of L100s 10% in this day and age? Regardless, close enough for me. Heck, I got over 10% off my L112s from the local dealer back in 1982, and over 10% off a new Nakamichi Dragon from the same dealer.

And, since the original point was JBL is using past glory to gouge with their modern pricing today, let's use the list-price differential of 7.3 times from 1971 to 2019 and apply it elsewhere.

A two-pack of Twinkies: 12¢ then vs. $1.25 from Kroger today
Tootsie Roll pop: 2¢ each then vs. on-line today 29¢
My first BMW 1971 R50/5 purchased new in May 1971 with a list price of $1,475 vs. it's equivalent today, the R-nineT/5, at $14,495.

That's more like 10-times over the same time-span.

Taking only a small license with the facts, that would mean at $5,000 today, the L100 Classic Is just keeping up with the times.

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Then there is the prestige factor. We know that some folks will pay way more for a pair of jeans with a designer label than they will pay for jeans from the farm supply store. Even though the jeans from the farm store are better quality. Have to have a shrink explain that.
Easy!
Having worn Levi's 501 button-fly jeans nearly as long as I've had JBLs in my house (that was 1957), I can tell you nothing compares. Even today when often I find my jeans "assembled in Egypt (or Indonesia, or Mexico, etc.) from US-made parts" the quality is basically the same, the fit the same, and the legendary durability is why I buy them. I'm not a brand-name snob but over my 6-plus decades of life I've often stuck with Chemise LaCoste (Izod) and Brooks Brothers shirts, Because I still have examples of each worn by my father who passed over 40-years ago which are still serviceable today. Some served as my kids' smocks and could be sold as Jackson Pollock knock-offs.

The point is Tractor Store brand clothing still has to earn a reputation. Carhartt, among its cognoscenti, has brand appeal, too. For that matter, so does a Trump tie made in China. I have Lee carpenter jeans as well as DuckHead jeans I buy cheap wherever and use as work pants. But the 501s are my go-to-when-not-at-work uniform. I have nothing against generics. I swallow them everyday on orders from my doctor. I buy Kroger jams and jellies but I have to have Jiff Crunchy peanut butter. I draw the line at generic toilet paper, tissues, and paper towels. Bounty really is the quicker picker upper and the single-ply rolls of TP we once used as filters in diesel engines are not welcome in my bathrooms.

When I see a retired gentleman around my age come into my workplace in his no-name "Mom" jeans, I just feel sorry for them. Sure, their government pension and a government-supported stock market has enabled them to buy what I'm selling (BMW cars), but their taste in clothing (and the incumbent fit-and-finish) is not becoming nor will the purchase of an expensive German car help that appearance. Style can be bought but some wear it, naturally, better than others. I don't need the red-tab and I never bought into that horrible Golden Fleece crap on the pockets of BB outlet inventory, but I do know what I like . . . and why I like it.

Quality reputations and the "snob" appeal that goes along with them has usually been a reputation that was earned over many generations because of outstanding performance and reliability.

That's JBL. Doesn't mean someone (Samsung) won't just be resting on the name recognition. But It also doesn't mean the legacy products don't deserve it.
 
"Present Day JBL" is gone -
Any of the older engineers have retired or were forced out.
Then Harman CEO Paliwali sold out Harman -
its all owned by Samsung now ...
I think this can be said for many companies nowadays that have been acquired by larger ones. That's reality, but it's what they do with their acquisitions that counts over the long run. Are they buying a name to ride into the ground? Or will they feed and support it, allow it to earn its own reputation into the future. I personally am hoping for a latter. That would mean that there still is money to be made from the producing high quality speakers in this day and age. The alternative future is more headgear for the masses.. :rolleyes:
 
Really??
Points of fact:
According to LH, in 1971 a pair of L100s cost $546. Using the government Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator from Jan 1971 to last month that would be $3,528.53 today.
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There you go. It is what it is and is not $4K.

S&V, Jan 2020: A CRT TV in 1970 would have cost would cost you $350. That would be a simple tabletop model offering a glorious 480i standard definition resolution on a 19-inch screen, and would cost $2,400 in today's money.

2,400 / 350 = 6.86

$546 x 6.86 = $3,744.

Now consider that in today's market, a $2,400 TV would be much larger than 19" with far more features and technology behind it putting it light years ahead of a 19" set from 1970. Can that be said about the current L100s?
 
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According to the genius PhD's, you can buy a new BMW today for what you'd pay in 1995.
I imagine the same would apply to buying new JBL's:confused:
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There is something to be said for value stability, though. One could conceivably experience some very impressive hifi for free, or lose very little, or profit a little, if the gear selection is limited to brands that realize some valuation boost in part because of the their name (which is usually accompanied by high build quality and above average performance). Can’t really pull that off if you go purchase brand new Revels and brand new Pass Labs electronics and sell it off a few years later. But this is no new concept...plenty of people out there have figured it out. The right JBL pieces allow you to ride that train.
Absolutely a true statement several years ago. Now, I’m not so sure. I started my JBL journey 25 years ago when a coworker sold me his L150A'S. I lovingly refoamed, reworked and refinished them. I sold them after I bought Jubals (mistake! Form over function!) made a profit from those and moved on to 4311, 4312, 4412, 4410, L220, etc. I sold my last vintage JBL'S, 4311's, a while back. I bought them 5 years ago from a local guy, upgraded the crossovers, and enjoyed them alongside several modern designs from different manufacturers. I put them up on Craigslist and the guy who sold them to me bought them back! Anyway, when I see L100's (a flawed design) selling for over $1000, and older large format speakers going for thousands, I’m not sure how much more the market will bear. I’ve noticed a flattening of prices over their past couple of years. It’s a fun hobby to buy and sell JBL'S, and I have some favorites, but I think my Dynaudio C1’s are the last speakers I will own. For now.
 
I have a set of JBL L166 that I picked up at a yard sale this fall. They need the woofers refoamed and a bit of other work. Do these fall into the vintage/desirable JBL category? Being an Altec guy I never really gave JBL much thought.

BillWojo
 
I have a set of JBL L166 that I picked up at a yard sale this fall. They need the woofers refoamed and a bit of other work. Do these fall into the vintage/desirable JBL category? Being an Altec guy I never really gave JBL much thought.

BillWojo
If they have all the original drivers, they should be nice speakers, Bill.
The JBL 166 Horizon has the really nice 066 silver domed tweeter - one of the best JBL made ...
Got a nice rippled metal grill - quite stylish and not sculpted foam grill that rots away like the L100 or L200
New woofer surrounds are easy enough to remedy - contact Rick Cobb for JBL replacement surrounds rcobb@tampabay.rr.com


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Anyway, when I see L100's (a flawed design) selling for over $1000, and older large format speakers going for thousands, I’m not sure how much more the market will bear. I’ve noticed a flattening of prices over their past couple of years.
I remember when I first started watching prices on used L300s. I think they were around $400-$500. While I kept the faith and hoped for an economic miracle to put three kids through college, they climbed to over $1,000, then over $2,000. I've seen them bring $4,000. Sure, a bubble eventually flattens but classic JBLs have always held their value.

In this age where a 21-window VW bus will bring $200,000 at auction, does any of this make sense?
 
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