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Why music is getting worse. It's only 12 minutes, it's worth the time.

twiiii said:
What he says is very true and quite scary. Maybe thats why I have never been a fan of Rock and Roll or of its many different variations.
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It's interesting how you completely agree with Beato, yet his core music love is obviously rock (even though he likes other types of music as well). You both came to the same conclusions from different places, although he would certainly disagree with your inclusion of rock with the more recent "degraded" music that he was referring to. By the way, I think it's great how you openly stand your ground about what kind of music you don't like, even though it runs counter to the majority posting here. Musical tastes are personal - there's no right or wrong. That's the opinion of someone who does like much of rock, but also a great many other genres as well.

RunOutGroove said:
I feel that in order to enjoy rock/pop type music you need to come to terms with the fact that the recording part of it is a part of the art. There is a certainly beauty in music that's played all at once in a room and captured for a recording, but I feel that you miss a lot if you're considering this kind of thing to be the only legitimate way to make a record. There are so many possibilities that exist beyond that one technique. I embrace all the techniques that folks use to make and record music, if for no other reason than the fact that there are more ways to make music means that there are more possibilities and with this greater set of possibilities, there's less chance of folks repeating themselves. Art, I feel is generally in a healthier state when folks play with new technologies, which help them to avoid relying on the same cliches.
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I tend to like it at least to give sort of an illusion that I'm listening to a real performance with musicians who can actually play, even though I know the process has long been in so many recordings to lay down tracks separately and even apply certain effects later on. Of course this wouldn't apply to certain complex compositions such as with some electronic music.
 
petes'picks said:
Using real musicians playing real instruments is for boomers. Thank God I'm a boomer. You can take the top 40 pop songs from any given week these days and you would be lucky if 2 of those 40 songs used more than 2 real instruments and didnt use auto tune or pro tools.

My whole love of music revolves around the musicians playing on the recordings, these days they are even using pro tools to take the sharp and flat parts out of guitar solos. It is maddening when they remove the soul of humanity from the performances and try to replace it with samples or run them through programs.

Its a brutal road for the up and coming talent, its all about a look or image if you want to make it, then you need to sell your soul to record company and dump your band and use their resident geek with the samples.. Looking back many of my favorite artists are homey looking and some were downright ugly and many times they were even pitchy but you could definitely feel them and relate to them. Not all new music sucks, its just that the record companies are not putting any effort into promoting the real talent. If we are being honest they could take a cashier from your local grocery store then run them through their pro tools and make them sound like the majority of the biggest artists today.

Never heard a drum sample move me like Jeff Porcaro, John Bohnham, Art Blakey, Neil Peart..... and never heard a auto tuned voice move me like Stevie Wonder, Ella, Aretha, Freddie Mercury or even pitchy singers like SRV, Joni Mitchell, JJ Cale and Joe Walsh. Best if they leave the humanity in music.
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I still like Cluster, and really like Brian Eno. Roedelius using a laptop to do a concert. He predates boomers in age. And Eno just slides in being born in 47.

It's the music. And most of that is 40-50 years old.

I was listening to Steamhammer, and now Gary Bartz. :dunno:
 
intro6 said:
It's interesting how you completely agree with Beato, yet his core music love is obviously rock (even though he likes other types of music as well). You both came to the same conclusions from different places, although he would certainly disagree with your inclusion of rock with the more recent "degraded" music that he was referring to. By the way, I think it's great how you openly stand your ground about what kind of music you don't like, even though it runs counter to the majority posting here. Musical tastes are personal - there's no right or wrong. That's the opinion of someone who does like much of rock, but also a great many other genres as well.


I tend to like it at least to give sort of an illusion that I'm listening to a real performance with musicians who can actually play, even though I know the process has long been in so many recordings to lay down tracks separately and even apply certain effects later on. Of course this wouldn't apply to certain complex compositions such as with some electronic music.
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Bill Connors Swimming With A Hole In My Body is filled with overdubs. Great ECM recording.
 
Music is not getting worse. It is getting more diverse and less mainstream, just like many societal things. So less of a "center" and harder to find good things, but they are out there, and in quantity. There is more compelling new jazz, electronic, ambient and alt rock than I can possibly keep up with.
 
Late Boomer said:
Prog rock has died
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Actually no. It's just now one of those many genres that lie outside of the popular mainstream. There are more newer prog bands around now than one would hardly have time to listen to.

analogwisdom said:
Wrong on so many accounts...
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Some of the Top 40 stuff is decent, although often kind of bland, but a good song pops up every now and then. The other stuff is the worst dreck that's ever been created in the history of music IMO.
 
intro6 said:
I tend to like it at least to give sort of an illusion that I'm listening to a real performance with musicians who can actually play, even though I know the process has long been in so many recordings to lay down tracks separately and even apply certain effects later on. Of course this wouldn't apply to certain complex compositions such as with some electronic music.
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I really don't care how a record is made as long as it has a vibe that's interesting to me.
 
RunOutGroove said:
I'm sure that things have gotten far better, though I wouldn't really know because I don't engage with this stuff on anything like a regular basis, but I remember some years ago, when this tech was new and I was using Pandora a bit, that I used to joke that "everything is one step removed from Elton John," as it seemed that any artist that I chose, no matter how weird, edgy, obscure, exotic, etc that in a few songs the algorithm would follow it with something by Elton John...
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It has gotten better :rockon:
 
just dave said:
I like him, he's very knowledgeable when it comes to music and recording. This is not "Get off my Lawn" stuff. He has some valid points.Music has definitely lost something. I hear from a lot of people.
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Agreed... (warning: former bass player content)

Two modern songs that make me appreciate modern music:
- Lizzo 'About Damn Time'
- Dua Lipa 'Don't Start Now'
Both have an incredibly infectious bass line that essentially drives the whole song. Was it played with an electric bass or midi software? Dunno...

It works either way. Makes me want to pick up my bass and learn the line, yet also makes me want to see if the albums are available on vinyl lp...
 
The era of music we are in right now I believe is called TRAP. Trap music is the dominant genre of music right now. It became popular across the board in 2010. It's almost 2025. So that's 15 years. The only genre of music that lasted longer is, IMHO, heavy metal. One could argue that heavy metal started with Black Sabbath in 1970 and went all the way until Nirvana released Nevermind in the early '90s. Trap music might be with us for a long while still. I liken it to fast food. It's convenient, and it's homogenized. It's always nearby, it's kinda tasty but very addictive.

An artist's career can last about a decade. Madonna's music career lasted that long; it went right through the '80s until the Dick Tracy soundtrack. Then her time ended.

Taylor Swift's career is almost 20 years long. Her first album came out in 2006 - 18 years ago. I don't see her career ending any time soon and I don't know who will take her place. Olivia Rodrigo? Country music's arc has taken a similar path.
drp1003 said:
How long did disco music last? How long did the Beatles last? How long did heavy metal last? How long did smooth rock last? Grunge music? Jazz music? How long did Motown last? Soul music? Blues music? All of these different genres of music that fit under the banner of popular music or rock and roll music had a shelf life of a few years or even perhaps up to a decade, but they all inevitably faded away, and got replaced by a new sound. Not only do individual songs chart on the billboard hot 100, but styles of music do as well. AOR music from the late '70s/early '80s covered the Hot 100 for quite a while. Then it's time came to an end. Progressive rock's heyday was in the '70s. Disco lasted about five years and then it disappeared without a trace. Punk music lasted not long at all before it morphed into new wave and post-punk. Alternative music started out life in the '80s before it succumbed to grunge music of the '90s. '80s pop music like Michael Jackson was big, and then poof! It wasn't. It happens fast. It can happen slowly and change into something else before that thing dies and gets replaced by something new.

But the thing about pop music today, is that it all sounds exactly the same, and whatever era of music we are in now, it has been around for an agonizingly long time, at least 15 years now, and it does not seem to be going away anytime soon. It's the same tick-tick-tick-tick electronic beats, the same stupid lyrics, the same exact stupid Adele-inspired whiny-voice singing. The fake sounding synthetic drum beats. The same boring bass rhythms. I assume it takes about 15 minutes to produce this stuff, and in all honesty, I would not pay a dime to own any of it.
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drp1003 said:
One could argue that heavy metal started with Black Sabbath in 1970 and went all the way until Nirvana released Nevermind in the early '90s
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Metal has never gone away, there are Metal Bands still getting play for their new material on the radio. That said most of the metal I listen to is rarely on the radio, maybe as college station :idea:

Most of the largest/successful festivals are Metal :rockon:
 
E2 said:
I wonder if Jazz and Classical are Trap music. :idea:
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Classical music spans centuries. And the only classical music song that has ever landed on the pop charts (American Top 40) was called "A Fifth of Beethoven" by Walter Murphy. Which weirdly was a disco hit. Jazz music has been around for a century, and Herbie Hancock's "Rockit" was on the charts, I believe. So yeah, Classic and Jazz genres lasted longer. LOL
 
I have to untrap myself.......or is it detrap. Just freedom......:smoke:
 
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drp1003 said:
Taylor Swift's career is almost 20 years long. Her first album came out in 2006 - 18 years ago. I don't see her career ending any time soon and I don't know who will take her place. Olivia Rodrigo?
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I haven't heard a single song by TS and I heard one or two songs by OR. The beauty of today is that you can listen to anything - ANYTHING - for peanuts or free.
 
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