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Wife Wants Big Speakers that Rock - Suggestions?

KeninDC said:
I picked up the HPM 100s from fellow AKer "ashnut" yesterday. He was kind enough to have both me and another DC area AKer, "Jack Lord," in his house to do a speaker swap and a little bit of listening. It is fun to meet other AKers in person and share audio experiences and vintage audio searching "tips." I left with the HPM 100s and some live Allman Bros.; Jack Lord left with some KLH 5s; and ashnut had a line on a Fisher tube set-up. All-in-all, a good Sunday PM.

As for the HPM 100s, I hooked them up in the basement to my Yamaha CR 640 and we (my wife and I) played Jimi Hendrix, "Power of Love" off of the live Fillmore East CD, followed by Cream "Tales of Brave Ulysses," and then some Faces. Needless to say, they were nice and loud. My wife was really digging the Faces "Losing You."

So far, I really love the HPM 100s and they are doing exactly what I expected and wanted from a rock & roll speaker. I am going to move my Yamaha CR 1020 into the basement to drive the HPM 100s. I will be more comfortable playing them at ear-ringing levels with more robust power. I just fixed my Marantz 2238, so that will go back into the "civilized" system on the main floor driving some tasteful B&W bookshelves.

This is a tremendously fun hobby and the generosity of fellow AKers with advice and equipment is fantastic.

Ken

Ken,
Congrats on the HPM 100s! I'm using three pair for my 6.1 HT set up. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but HPM 100s sound much better on speaker stands about 16" to 18" straight up off the floor, not angled back on the shorter speaker stands. Also, if you can split them apart about 8' to 12' from each other, you'll fully realize the optimum sound-stage for the HPM 100s. After owning them for several years and doing a lot of tweeking, that's where they sound the best to me. Also, for a very efficient speaker, they do crave more power than one would think, so switching in your Yamaha CR-1020 should help bring out the dynamics of the speakers as well.


Retro
 
Dusty Chalk said:
Just curious -- what model earplugs are those? And do you have a favourite earplug that does the flattest attenuation (or "closest to flat")?

I use Howard Leight brand. Either Max-Lite or Laser-Lite. NRR of 33dB and 32dB respectively.

They're use just to reduce the room level volume, not frequency accurate enough for a loud, live mix.

Etymotic Research makes a fairly good 'hi-fi' earplug that will give you an NRR around 20dB I wouldn't use them for critical mixing in a studio, but for a live venue mix, they work pretty well. The model is the ER-20.

http://www.etymotic.com/pdf/er20-brochure.pdf

. . Falcon
 
Retro Stereo said:
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but HPM 100s sound much better on speaker stands about 16" to 18" straight up off the floor, not angled back on the shorter speaker stands.

Stands was my next question. My wife, believe it or not, said we needed to get these up off the ground. "No milkcrates," she said. I'm thinking spikes are in order, too, due to the carpet. Any suggestions re: stands?

Ken
 
Right On!!

Sounds like you married the right woman, Bro!

I guess this all depends on budget, my man. I'm an Altec man, So a nice set of A7s, or A5's might do it. If you can find them. Got mine off of ebay. If your looking for something brand spankin' new, perhaps Klipsch has what you need.
I like the top Klipsch floorstander. (Model # escapes me at the moment. Gettin old, don'tcha know.)

Anyhow, good luck with the search! :thmbsp:
 
FalconEddy said:
I use Howard Leight brand. Either Max-Lite or Laser-Lite. NRR of 33dB and 32dB respectively.

They're use just to reduce the room level volume, not frequency accurate enough for a loud, live mix.

Etymotic Research makes a fairly good 'hi-fi' earplug that will give you an NRR around 20dB I wouldn't use them for critical mixing in a studio, but for a live venue mix, they work pretty well. The model is the ER-20.

http://www.etymotic.com/pdf/er20-brochure.pdf

. . Falcon
Yeah, I already use Ety's -- they're the flattest I've heard. I just didn't think they had anything that went higher.

Nothing critical, just want to go to concerts in my most audiophiliac possible way. Sounds like I might want to try Howard Leights for louder concerts (or standing right next to the speakers at a metal show).
 
KeninDC said:
I picked up the HPM 100s from fellow AKer "ashnut" yesterday. He was kind enough to have both me and another DC area AKer, "Jack Lord," in his house to do a speaker swap and a little bit of listening. It is fun to meet other AKers in person and share audio experiences and vintage audio searching "tips." I left with the HPM 100s and some live Allman Bros.; Jack Lord left with some KLH 5s; and ashnut had a line on a Fisher tube set-up. All-in-all, a good Sunday PM.

As for the HPM 100s, I hooked them up in the basement to my Yamaha CR 640 and we (my wife and I) played Jimi Hendrix, "Power of Love" off of the live Fillmore East CD, followed by Cream "Tales of Brave Ulysses," and then some Faces. Needless to say, they were nice and loud. My wife was really digging the Faces "Losing You."

So far, I really love the HPM 100s and they are doing exactly what I expected and wanted from a rock & roll speaker. I am going to move my Yamaha CR 1020 into the basement to drive the HPM 100s. I will be more comfortable playing them at ear-ringing levels with more robust power. I just fixed my Marantz 2238, so that will go back into the "civilized" system on the main floor driving some tasteful B&W bookshelves.

This is a tremendously fun hobby and the generosity of fellow AKers with advice and equipment is fantastic.

Ken

Glad you're digging the new sound. They do rock and roll in spades. I just had too many fine examples of the west coast sound and was glad to find them a new home.

The Fisher lead was a bust (early solid state and really sounded pretty bad). But karmic dividends were paid - I got a "minty" :D Sansui 5000x with original box (hey, it's worth as much as the receiver!!) and a handful of old classical records for a pittance. Don't you just love a happy ending? Agreed, Ken, this is a blast!
 
I had a set of ESS PS-1220's that absolutely rocked circles around my Cerwin-Vega AT-15's. Same room, same system, different systems, didn't matter. They sounded better, too. I immediately sold the C-V's, and kept the ESS.
If you ever come across the ESS AMT-6, that's a good one, but power hungry. You could go all out and get some Klipschorns.
 
Yeah, it does sound like I'm asking for it! I know the love that everyone has for those speakers...I just couldn't resist.
 
My wife and I were listening to cv d-9's (ok hold your laughter) to the telarc 1812 with the digital cannons, when a huge picture 2'x4' with frame fell off the wall onto our heads. Bonk!!! We still have the D9s. $700 new 20 years ago. A very good value for the money. Beleive it or not my wife picked them out. They are her speakers. I have 2 pair of Infinity RS5bs. I'm considering making a rack and stacking them. Bottom speaker tweeter up second speaker directly above tweeter down. I prefer a more refined sound.
 
bowtie427ss said:
Ditto what gamalot said!

L100's, HPM100's and the many other "want to be" clones barely classify as a floorstanding speaker, and certainly wouldn't fall under my definition of a BIG speaker.

Now all you L100 and HPM100 owners, please don't take that as a flame, it certainly is not, i cut my audio teeth on 4 L100's and a Marantz 4400, i know what they're all about, what they'll do, and what they won't. They'll shake the bejeeezusss out of a room, while the elders have a tea party in the next room.

Now that i've matured and graduated, i have learned that it's possible to have chest pounding, hair moving, pantleg shaking SPL's with all the fidelity of a recording studio monitor system. Of course i'm an altec fan thru and thru, not because of any printed specs, or any rave reviews by known audio critics, i'm my own best critic and i have to go by what my ears tell me.

I've seen lots of suggestions for many different size and combinations of speakers here but have seen very few address the size of the room the "big speakers" will be used in. If i've followed this thread correctly, i think they intend to use these in a basement, a setting where a "supermarket" box with 12 inch woofer and paper cone tweeter would be an excellent choice, if you just want some background fill music.

The main room of my basement is 24x48, i run 4 altec model 828 A7 voice of the theater cabinets loaded with JBL 2035 bass drivers, 2 511B horns with freshly rebuilt 802-8G drivers, and i fill in the bottom octave with a pair of dual 18 subs loaded with JBL 2241's. The system is active, i actually use a DSP now, The 511/802's are powered with a 250wpc mosfet amp and run from 1000hz up 2nd order. The 4 828 cabinets are powered with a 500wpc mosfet amp and are BW limited from 80hz to 1000hz 2nd order, and the subs are powered with a class AB amp at 1200wpc and very high damping factor, high damping factor is important for controlling the sub drivers. That might sound like a lot of overkill, especially from the output power standpoint. Fact is, it's the best way to ensure that you don't damage drivers or amplifiers as nothing ever has to work at or near it's limitations, overdriven amplifiers are the 1st and foremost cause of speaker failure. You will beg me to turn it down long before any of my amps approach the clipping point, if you don't my neighbors will.

I'm involved in live sound/sound reinforcement, and also build and maintain systems for a couple of local DJ's. Why did i choose 50 year old altecs for the middle and top end of my big home system? It is all about the sound. I have much in the way of pro gear at my disposal, the fact remains that the altecs overall, just sound better. It wasn't about economy, i built my own cabinets at a cost far above what i could have ebayed them for, it was the only way to avoid some of the shortfalls of the vintage cabinets.

As i stated earlier in this thread, for BIG speakers, cornwalls are a good start, particularly where the value/price is concerned. They're not my favorite as the high end tends to fall apart when driven hard, but in a large room like a basement, they are about the minimum to get the job done. and after you hear a pair of altec 19's or VOTT's next to them, the search for your next pair of big speakers will begin.

Now i'll duck too!

I am in agreement with this whole bit, including the klipsh notes. Big Altec or Big JBL is the answer you are looking for, and increase in value like a good ETF fund!

Russellc
 
Just hit the Garage sales for a couple of months, upgrade as you go, and you'll have some rocking speakers on the cheap. Maybe you'll end up with a pair of HPM-100's for $50.00 or a pair of Klipsch KG-4's for $25.00. Whatever guys! Just do it! :yes: :banana: Brad
 
I hooked the Yamaha CR 1020 to the HPM 100s this weekend and having more power made a HUGE difference in sound. The HPM 100s opened up, especially in the mid-ranges and highs. This is just a guess, but low-power (CR 620), even on these efficient speakers, spends too much energy with the woofers, resulting in a "boomier" sound. Right now, the 70 wpc of old school Yamaha power is making my new HPM 100s sing both LOUD and accurately.

Ken
 
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