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Zilch's AK Design Collaborative - Econowave Speaker
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skywave-rider
Slumming in Akihabara
It's certainly not as if I'm running out of options. :tongue:Well, it's about time you started using the 18sound XT1086.
US Speaker is the distributor, I believe. They're not $10, but they ARE aluminum.
It's rare I achieve +/- 1 dB here, for sure.
[I ain't messin' more with that....
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badmusician
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It's certainly not as if I'm running out of options. :tongue:
US Speaker is the distributor, I believe. They're not $10, but they ARE aluminum.
It's rare I achieve +/- 1 dB here, for sure.
[I ain't messin' more with that....
US Speaker lists the XT120, which is ABS, but not the 1086.
Loudspeakers Plus has the XT1086, for about double the price of the XT120. It looks like the 120 only holds directivity down to 2k, so it wouldn't be a good sub for the 1086.
The Mighty Zilch does not trouble with lesser efforts. All of his examples sound the best and better.
Note for those unfamiliar with the use of smilies, this is intended as homage to Zilch's immense contributions to the EWave revolution, not as sarcasm.
Note for those unfamiliar with the use of smilies, this is intended as homage to Zilch's immense contributions to the EWave revolution, not as sarcasm.
3012lf, but that doesn't mean I've done the best possible design effort with any of them. I'm seeing what's up with higher-efficiency woofers, mostly.
Someone called it the "Horn" revolution recently.
Interestingly, it's forum-specific; there's nary a mention on some major ones, and plenty of naysayers when first introduced to any group....
630136/10465=60.2137
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3012lf, but that doesn't mean I've done the best possible design effort with any of them. I'm seeing what's up with higher-efficiency woofers, mostly.
Someone called it the "Horn" revolution recently.
Interestingly, it's forum-specific; there's nary a mention on some major ones, and plenty of naysayers when first introduced to any group....
True. I'm actually surprised that the Tech-Talk crew hasn't picked up on it yet. That would likely change if the DC300/220TI/Trap makes it to an
"official" PE project.
The crossover must be optimized for any specific combination of components to achieve the best performance.
As you saw on LHF recently, measurements are key to getting it "right," and in my view, expressed many times here, having that capability is essential for doing this stuff.
I've shown in the TechTalk forum that it can be done successfully with a $150 HOLMImpulse setup; WankLab should be stepping up its facilities soon. :thmbsp:
It's gonna take for a couple of them to get hands on with waveguides, and some are nibbling at that with dome tweeters. Every forum has a dominant paradigm with principals vested in supporting it, and there's substantial inertia. It's gotta come from within, ultimately, with advocates accepted as part of the group, for any substantive shift to be perceived as an advance rather than a loss.
Of 33,000+ threads over there, "Flex Your Mettle" just moved up to #6 most viewed. Perhaps somebody is paying attention; interest in EconoWave has brought major traffic to the site.... :yes:
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Pictures, as promised:
Top cabinet has the standard E-wave with highpass section, with a modified (custom reconed) Berhinger 15" woofer and modified E-wave low pass (2mH/10uf/22uf+10ohm Zobel), in 3.25 cubic feet.
Bottom cabinet has Dayton Quatro 15" subwoofer with 300w BASH subwoofer amp, in 7 cubic feet.
Regards,
Gordon.
Top cabinet has the standard E-wave with highpass section, with a modified (custom reconed) Berhinger 15" woofer and modified E-wave low pass (2mH/10uf/22uf+10ohm Zobel), in 3.25 cubic feet.
Bottom cabinet has Dayton Quatro 15" subwoofer with 300w BASH subwoofer amp, in 7 cubic feet.
Regards,
Gordon.
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Cool Clear Water
Someone called it the "Horn" revolution recently.
Interestingly, it's forum-specific; there's nary a mention on some major ones, and plenty of naysayers when first introduced to any group....
Interestingly also is the May "Stereophile". Reviews of two horn based commercial efforts...the JBL 1400 and Klipsch P17b...
doucanoe
Registered Audio Abuser
I did see that at a matter of fact. Them is rough characters indeed
When funds allow, that might just happen. Until then...Maybe the "Optional" can say adios and I can go from there. I guess a generic tweakable version is only discussed when it's the original ewave. With that, it appears to be a LF free-for-all. :scratch2:
RC
Indeed, and we've always included tweaking the LF as coming with the territory. Those with bigger flashlights get a better view, is all.
We're all learning, and it's clear there's no jealousy on my part with respect to what little I know; it's all posted right here.
[There's no dearth of haters out there, tho....
]
doucanoe
Registered Audio Abuser
Indeed, and we've always included tweaking the LF as coming with the territory. Those with bigger flashlights get a better view, is all.
We're all learning, and it's clear there's no jealousy on my part with respect to what little I know; it's all posted right here.
[There's no dearth of haters out there, tho....
Well, like they say, you cant please everybody. If you spend too much time trying to make everybody happy, you may very well end up miserable in the process.
RC
donprice
Wound up workin' at a gas station....
JBL 2226 and B&C DE250 is the premium version of Wayne Parham's 4pi speaker. I bet you can find some good info on the LF section (and HF, of course) there.
Edit - I see that WP also has the 4pi crossovers for sale....that might save you some time
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doucanoe
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Yup, I'm pretty familiar with Wayne's work. In fact I just finished a 4Pi implementation for a JBL 2425 and a horn that shall remain unmentioned on these hallowed ewave pages
My desire now is to come up with something so I can try out with the XT1086 and B&C DE25. I do realize that Zilch's work is proprietary to the two drivers and horn but I guys gotta start somewhere for horsing around. It's just wire nuts and some time if you happen to have what you need.
RC
2226h in all-JBL setup
I just swapped out my Eminence Magnum 15HO for 2226h in my 2 ways (Ewave PT guide, but JBL 2426h comp driver and diff crossover, posted earlier in thread). Attached is the 2226h crossover derived. Big improvement with this better shaping. Haven't measured or refined yet, though.
I just swapped out my Eminence Magnum 15HO for 2226h in my 2 ways (Ewave PT guide, but JBL 2426h comp driver and diff crossover, posted earlier in thread). Attached is the 2226h crossover derived. Big improvement with this better shaping. Haven't measured or refined yet, though.
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