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Adding remote control to a Dynaco PAS3

Here is detailed description of what was done:

I. Installation of a new motorized volume pot. Fortunately, it’s enough space for a pot that was sold with the kit. It turns out to be 4-channel so if one gets 2-channel one it should be half-inch shorter. The new pot needed a lock-up hole for the pin in the front panel and its shaft was longer than needed so I shortened it by 12 millimeters. Also the shaft should be knurled at a specific position which is different from the existing one.

Since the new pot doesn’t have center tap one couldn’t use loudness circuit with it; I removed its components, 0.1 mfd cap and 4.7 K resistor leaving the switch in place with nothing connected to it.

The small PCB attached to the pot has ribbon socket at the input and output. I removed the sockets and connected PCB inputs (they are labeled) to pins 2 and 5 i.e. middle terminals of the balance control, outputs to pins 9 and 2 of the line amp plate and the output ground to terminals 1 and 6 of the balance control AND to Pin 1 of the line amp plate.
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II. Power supplies. Space for adding new components should be freed up and, since the preamp is stock, some components in the power supply have to be upgraded. So I decided to combine these two tasks.

The cap can and the filament filtering caps with rectifying diodes (someone replaced selenium rectifier long time ago) were replaces with Sheldon Stokes SDS power supply board mounted at the old filament caps space. The SDS board is mounted on 8 mm stands and I made new holes in the bottom plate for B+ wires. I didn’t use on-board fuse since I think running the mail AC line to the board and back might increase hum. Before the next step, I wired the whole thing and ensured the PAS powers up and works.

This freed up space for a remote power transformer which was installed atop of the cap can opening. Primary winding wires were soldered to the AC jack at the rear where power transformer wires are connected and the middle of the secondary ( green wire) was grounded.
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III. Installation of the remote controller main plate. This is the biggest plate in the kit, and only reasonable place to install it is above tone control pots. Capacitors and wires connected to them could potentially interfere with installation; however, I bypassed tone controls (as recommended by Dynaco Doctor) so this was not a problem.

I used 20 millimeters bronze stands secured on front plate with M3 screws. Since screw heads didn’t fit in the tiny space between front plate and PAS faceplate I made indents in the front plate similar to those made for switches. Still, a couple of screw heads protruded too much so I partially filed them off.
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IV. Installation of the infrared (IR) eye. The IR eye was carefully unsoldered from the controller plate and installed in the hole from the scratch filter switch. The horizontal dimension of the IR eye was a bit smaller than the faceplate switch opening. I found a polypropylene box with 1.5 mm-thick walls, cut a strip from it and made a square hole for the IR eye body. The eye was glued to the strip with epoxy glue in such a way that it protrudes as far as possible and the strip was mounted at the front of the faceplate using two existing scratch filter switch holes and screws. Excess of the epoxy glue was removed by a filer to allow tight mounting. Three wires were soldered to the eye terminals and soldering joints covered with heat shrink tubing. The other ends of wires were soldered to the controller plate. In the assembled preamp, the eye protrudes for 2-3 millimeters out of the faceplate which allow wide-angle remote operation.
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V. Connections. The volume control pot has two-wire cable connected to a snap-in terminal; I just extended the wires. The transformer wires were connected to a similar snap-in terminal supplied with the kit. These wires should be managed better than they are now; I’ll deal with this later when ribbon connectors for input relays will be installed.
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VI. The remote volume is working now and the next step was supposed to be installation of input relays. However, upon connection of the Dynaco to audio system I got quite strong hum using all inputs. The hum was independent of the volume control position. I checked all connections including ground and they seems OK. Then I checked if hum results from installing of remote control transformer by unsoldering it. It partially helps, i.e. the hum diminished but is still quite noticeable. What’s interesting is that the hum now diminishes if I increase volume and became quite weak if volume is at the MAX.

The transformer hum should be eliminated by the Faradey cage I'm going to make; however, the remaining hum is quite puzzling. Any ideas what might be the cause of it?
 
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Looks good.

What are you using for an input and output jack setup? I believe in stock form there was a 10 or so ohm resistor between the ground lead coming off the board and the outer shell of the output RCA jacks to help with ground loop issues. If those aren't still there, it could be a contributing factor. Honestly it sort of sounds like a ground loop or open ground on the input side if cranking the volume makes it stop.

Is the replacement pot the same value as the old one? Probably not really related, but if its considerably higher in value it might make things go funny.
 
Looks good.

... Honestly it sort of sounds like a ground loop or open ground on the input side if cranking the volume makes it stop.

The output jacks are stock, I didn't change them yet. The 10 Ohm resistor IMHO is there. The new pot is 100K and the old one was 250 K.

Interestingly, the new volume pot has ground connection at the input and at the output. I connected output ground to to terminals 1 and 6 of the balance control and to Pin 1 of the line amp plate. However, the INPUT ground is not connected to anything. The original volume pot IMHO didn't have any input ground.
 
I believe the stock setup used un-shielded input wires to the selector, and it came out of the selector to the "high" end of the volume pot. Not sure where the ground end of the volume pot came from, but it may have been the center of the balance pot, and from there I'm guessing it went to the board. Pretty sure the stock balance pot is your typical 3 wire affair, center wiper is grounded and each outer lug went to either the left or the right side input signal.

The outer "ring" of the line level input jacks should all be connected together and ground to the line stage board via that 10 ohm resistor. The phono grounds were carried through a different path to the ground of the phono stage board. I believe there was a grounded wire connected at the jacks and wound around the input leads to the switch as well, but I want to say it was only connected to ground at the input jack end.

Might be worth a look at the stock assembly manual to verify where your different grounds go. Try and duplicate that as closely as possible.
 
Great thread I might try this with my Ampex 402 pre-amp. I will consult with my tech to see if it's a project he wants to undertake.

To the OP thanks for creating this thread
 
The 10 Ohm resistors are there and all level input jacks connected to the board through the resistors. The output jack outer "ring" is connected to the chassis directly since its opening is smaller than for input jacks.

Checked everything- all connections duplicates stock PAS as far as I can tell. Grounding of the input ground of the pot with jumper wire doesn't change the hum intensity.

The only connection that is absent is the loudness one since the new pot has no loudness tap.

The only way I can really test this hum is to remove components from the signal path and check is it still there or not.
 
You have a new transformer mounted close to the board. It just might induce current there, try to
unmount it and have it outside the amp and test for hum.
 
You have a new transformer mounted close to the board. It just might induce current there, try to
unmount it and have it outside the amp and test for hum.

I did have some hum induced by transformer. However, the transformer primary is currently disconnected but hum persists.
 
Updates: shorted inputs, hum is there. Disconnected volume pot from balance pot and from ground, hum is there with the same intensity. Attempt to determine what happen if volume pot is disconnected from the inputs into PC-5 line amp resulted in a very strong hum (actually this should be done by replacing the volume pot with a fixed resistor).

I have an old volume pot and will check it for humming tomorrow.
 
So I installed the old volume pot back without connecting the loudness tap and associated resistors/caps and... THE *&^%$# THING STILL HUMS!! Shortened the input (AM-FM) and the hum is still there.

Any experts on PAS preamps here? I really don't know what to do. The original power supply was replaces with SDS board and few other things were done such as tone control bypass and output caps installation/resistor removal and can't roll it back.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Do you have a scope to check how much power supply ripple might exist ? Check both B+ and the heater supply, just for S&G.
 
Check the B+ for hum is one thing that should be done.
But first , is it 60 hz or 120hz hum ?
60 hz comes from the mains ( leaking magnetic/electrical fields ) 120 hz from DC.

Then i would figure out how the grounding is done, with these power supplies i use to have one ground connection
from each board to the designated ground on the power board ( i think the riaa board actualy has
two points that needs grounding,eyelet 4 and 11, connect both to the power board )
Ground connections may very well be drawn together with the B+ on the topside, that is the shortest path and
as far as possible from the signals. Make sure you only have one path to each ground.
Same goes with the filament cables, even if they are filtered DC they will have a component of 120hz that
will inflict hum on board traces/ components that contains signal. Filament leads must be twisted and routed
the same way as the dynaco description ( unless you find better routes). The filament-"midpoint" is grounded on PC-6
only ( should be done on the board). The filament itself thus has +12V and -12V measured from ground.

You have a extra powersupply for the motor, remove power there to make shure.

Also note ( if you replaced the selector ) that the original one shorts the unused inputs, any hum injected to
any rca-plug _might_ propagate if this short is omitted as with some replacement selectors.

Good luck
 
Do you have a scope to check how much power supply ripple might exist ? Check both B+ and the heater supply, just for S&G.

Checked B+ and heater with the o'scope.

The B+ seems OK, scope doesn't see any AC reading on DC at the SDS power supply outputs and the DMM doesn't see any AC as well.

However, it's something very strange with heater power supply: both outputs, to PC6-15 /PC5-18 and PC6-14PC5-19 show significant AC on top of DC: Scope at pc6 14_pc5_18.JPGscope at pc6 15_pc5 19.JPG

The scope was at 0.5V/5 mS.

Measurements with DMM revealed +12 V DC at pc6-15/pc5-18 point , -12 V DC at PC6-14/PC5-19 AND 10.4 V AC at a frequency 59.98 Hz at both points.
I didn't expect to see THAT MUCH of AC reading on DC with the heater power supply. Checked the assembly of the SDS board- all looks to be done according to the supplied manual.Heater PC_connections.jpg

Something is very wrong with the heater power supply- am I right?
 
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It certainly sounds that way. It almost seems like there is some cross connection between the AC heater supply leads and the output. Insufficient filtering would be 120hz, straight off the transformer is 60. Might be worth checking those diodes. A shorted one would probably do this.

What are the wires I'm seeing for? One pair I'm guessing is from the transformer, is the other pair the feed out to the stock lamp ?
 
It certainly sounds that way. It almost seems like there is some cross connection between the AC heater supply leads and the output. Insufficient filtering would be 120hz, straight off the transformer is 60. Might be worth checking those diodes. A shorted one would probably do this.

What are the wires I'm seeing for? One pair I'm guessing is from the transformer, is the other pair the feed out to the stock lamp ?

I'll check the connections and diodes tomorrow. Soldering of the heater inputs was a tough task since both PT secondary heater wires (thick blue) and two twisted black wires that go to the rectifier tube filament (pins 3 and 4) should be wired into the same pair of holes in the PCB that are too small. So I expanded these holes and scratched traces nearby to get better soldering.

That are wires you see, the stock lamp is connected in parallel to a rectifier filament.
 
You're not using the stock 12X4 for anything right? No chance there is a short from the old HV wires on that into the heater supply wires is there?
 
You're not using the stock 12X4 for anything right? No chance there is a short from the old HV wires on that into the heater supply wires is there?

I do keep the 12X4 rectification for its intended purpose; the SDS board has an option for B+ solid-state rectification but I skipped it.
 
HUM FIXED!

It turns out the input into the filament rectification circuit was grounded. A new metal stand for the remote controller PCB touched the metal body of the power bulb housing which in turn was connected through rectifier filament to this input.

Moved the housing away from the stand and now AC at the heater outputs is much lower (0.23V vs. 10.4 V) and no hum is heard using the line level inputs. With phono input I do have some low-intensity hum and a lot of hiss but it's another issue.

So the new volume pot and transformer will be re-installed soon. Project is going forward.
 
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