Ads l810 vs Heresy ii - which one?
kevintomb
Well-Known Member
The HERESY, is you had to add subs that are SMALLER than the actual Heresy speakers, to get FAR better deep bass......!!
kevintomb
Well-Known Member
ALthough the Heresy have 12" woofers, they are designed for very low excursion and highish efficiency, NOT deep bass.
If you expect ANY deep bass at all, they will let you down.
I see them more as similar to a semi pro speaker you could use for sound reinforcement in a small church or maybe a jazz club, and so on, not a full range bass speaker.
alteclipsch
Super Member
Wasn't the Heresy originally intended for center channel use?
that's how "you" see it, well you're absolutely wrong, as you're also wrong about the size of the "12" subs" in the picture
The Heresy needs no sub when "set up as designed", on the floor against the front wall where the bass will be augmented. They were designed this way, people used to place there speakers this way back in 1957 eh.
Try placing your bass heavy speakers designed to be out in the room against the front wall and tell me you like the muddy bass they now produce. Does this make them only useful as subwoofers lol? What a crock.
They were paired with subs because I wanted to pull them out into the room for better imaging, something most didn't care about in 1957 when the Heresy debuted eh.
The pair in the bedroom are placed as designed and need no sub, they actually have an abundance of tight, tuneful musical bass in this setup, so no, you're assessment is completely wrong.
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alteclipsch
Super Member
I never had an issue with the bass in my Heresy, I had them against a wall on the floor, and the bass was full and deep. It was the harshness of the mids and highs that I couldn't stand. Some folks love them, so maybe it's just me.that's how "you" see it, well you're absolutely wrong, as you're also wrong about the size of the "12" subs" in the picture
The Heresy needs no sub when "set up as designed", on the floor against the front wall where the bass will be augmented. They were designed this way, people used to place there speakers this way back in 1957 eh.
Try placing your bass heavy speakers designed to be out in the room against the front wall and tell me you like the muddy bass they now produce. Does this make them only useful as subwoofers lol? What a crock.
They were paired with subs because I wanted to pull them out into the room for better imaging, something most didn't care about in 1957 when the Heresy debuted eh.
The pair in the bedroom are placed as designed and need no sub, they actually have an abundance of tight, tuneful musical bass in this setup, so no, you're assessment is completely wrong.
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That was my whole point about it being to subjective. They are both great speakers, op needs to listen to some horns before deciding.
64yrs virtually unchanged, they must do something right lol
it's all about synergy, I can see them not getting along with some gear.
I have not heard the L710s, but I have heard the L810s and cannot imagine two more different sounding speakers (Heresy vs L810). The bass is really not subjective, the ADCs simply go deeper than the Heresies. The horn drivers are like nails on a chalkboard to my ears vs the smooth domes of the ADC.....that is purely subjective I know.
alteclipsch
Super Member
Well, then it ain't just me, I was getting paranoid. But that's just me.
Again, that’s basically my point… OP needs a point of “reference”. Old dudes disagreeing and stating their personal dislikes really does zero to answer what the OP “will like”.
I grew up with K-Horns and Cornwall’s so I am admittedly a Klipsch fanboy. I prefer the KG4’s I had over the 710’s, same space same gears, apparently my youngest likes them more, I offered her the 710’s and she took the KG’s
And the 710’s are great and may only go anywhere when I finally try some Tektons, Zu’s or find some Heresy's
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Again, that’s basically my point… OP needs a point of “reference”. Old dudes disagreeing and stating their personal dislikes really does zero to answer what the OP “will like”.
I grew up with K-Horns and Cornwall’s so I am admittedly a Klipsch fanboy. I prefer the KG4’s I had over the 710’s, same space same gears, apparently my youngest likes them more, I offered her the 710’s and she took the KG’s
And the 710’s are great and may only go anywhere when I finally try some Tektons, Zu’s or find some Heresy's
If you have the room now maybe try a pair of Polk Monitor 7s or 10s. Heresy bass is not even on the same planet.
As @Grenadeslio has mentioned, Heresy bass is not an issue for me, and many others. And how would my 8802 that pulls 95% of my amp duty do with those
Edit: my bubby has had 10’s since we both bought speakers (my first KG4’s) at the Naples NATO base back in the day. So that would be an easy try. Not a big fan in his system. Edit 2: but he is a working musician so there is that. I know many and their systems are typically just thrown in the room with zero thought
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As @Grenadeslio has mentioned, Heresy bass is not an issue for me, and many others. And how would my 8802 that pulls 95% of my amp duty do with those
Edit: my bubby has had 10’s since we both bought speakers (my first KG4’s) at the Naples NATO base back in the day. So that would be an easy try. Not a big fan in his system.
The 10s do better with more headroom for sure. There are also a few different tweets (mine are the SL2000s) for them as well. I run my with a 110wpc Sony TA330ES and in a fairly big room, they are at each end of a 22' wall. They can take more power easily.
Heresy bass reminds me of the bass of the Optimus 27s you see on top of the Polks in the picture above. It is tight and fairly fast (the optimus bass is very fast), just rolls off fairly high. The Optimus 27s have a six in driver and a drone cone.
Here's my take on the Heresy sound, I've said this here before, with the Infinitys I'm there, the Klipsch they're here, so if wanting to invite Mick and the boys over for a jam session it's the Heresys.
if you like bass and want the Klipsch sound without a subwoofer you might like the KG-3.2.
purchased a pair about 8yrs ago, when I auditioned them for my brother in law he asked if he could hear them without the two subs in this picture, I said sure, walked half way over, turned and said "oh ya, they aren't on" lol.
They crank some rock & roll baby, and they're not expensive, think I paid $130 for my pristine pair, they might be more now. The Heresys pictured were $400 then, sold 5yrs later for $400, I like using gear for free eh.
I prefer the Heresy over the KG-3.2, my youngest boy who still lives with me has the 3.2's and loves them for his gaming etc.
purchased a pair about 8yrs ago, when I auditioned them for my brother in law he asked if he could hear them without the two subs in this picture, I said sure, walked half way over, turned and said "oh ya, they aren't on" lol.
They crank some rock & roll baby, and they're not expensive, think I paid $130 for my pristine pair, they might be more now. The Heresys pictured were $400 then, sold 5yrs later for $400, I like using gear for free eh.
I prefer the Heresy over the KG-3.2, my youngest boy who still lives with me has the 3.2's and loves them for his gaming etc.
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fredgarvin
Super Member
I see you have enough Klipsch speakers to know the sound. For me, the heresy's need a sub but I believe you will find the clarity and liveliness to be superior and other than the Bass it will sound better than your other speakers. I like ADS but I don't think they have that mid you are looking for.
fredgarvin
Super Member
It reads like the OP has three pairs of Klipsch speaker, so I' guessing he knows the sound and what he wants.
A lot of people love the Heresy's and aren't bothered by the bass response.
Another vote for the ADS for its (what I call) refined sound. Never liked the Hereseys when I owned them in the early 90's.
I now have ADS 710 and 1230. Also a pair Polk Monitor 7 (since they were mentioned), they are OK but not in the same league with ADS. To be expected of course since my Monitor 7 cost 1/5th of AD 710.
I now have ADS 710 and 1230. Also a pair Polk Monitor 7 (since they were mentioned), they are OK but not in the same league with ADS. To be expected of course since my Monitor 7 cost 1/5th of AD 710.
Heresys and a single ended tube amp. 