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ADS models, an impromptu rollcall

These L1590's just plain sound good! Though not twice as good as the 1290's for double the price I paid but it was worth the upgrade. Can't tell from the pictures, but they are huge and significantly bigger than the L1290s which I thought were huge. The only disappointment would be the black laminate, as I much prefer any of the wood finish.
 
I had a pair of a/d/s 1230's about ten years ago.. I wish I still owned them. They were the best speakers I have ever owned. Clarity of my brothers Vandersteins, but with the base they are lacking. Yes, they had bi-amp inputs and I was driving them with two Carver amps that were not that high power, I think they were about 150 watt but could handle down to 4 ohms easily. I still own the Nakamachi ZX7, can't seem to want to part with it, but I did get rid of my AR classic turntable with custom arm and Shure V15III... also still own a pair of L200c's and L300c's in perfect condition and unused for several years. :music:
Anyway, these are simply amazing speakers.. would love to find a pair of the L1230's again, but time has probably passed them by. a/d/s no longer exists, they were bought out by some Chinese company from what I understand. Very sad.
Wonder if any one even reads this forum? ..if you do, salute!
 
That is excellent advice... I just hunted around the house, and found a pair of L1230's and two pair of L1290/2!

BTW, welcome to AK doane2u...

John
 
Ok,

Just got some L520 A/D/S today. Haven't yet hooked them up. Any suggestions for placement for optimal performance? Any other tips?

Thanks

Luke
 
I'd put 'em on 18" stands, and off the wall slightly. Other than that, they should work pretty well however you position them - subject to the usual caveats about room size/shape/cancellations etc.

John
 
Thanks everyone, brings back old memories.
As to placement, my best luck with the smaller L200's and L300's was getting them away from the wall about 18-24" and at sitting ear level on stands. They have excellent imaging properties. All the best to everyone.
 
FWIW, ADS made their own stands which were low to the floor but angled upward at about 10 degrees. There were two sizes, each fit a few different models.

They were made of 1" square steel tubing I'd guess. With the strong frame and the center of gravity being moved backward due to the tilt, the speaker cabinet moves around less as it plays.

Does anyone have the actual dimensions for the factory stands?
 
I don't but would love to have a pair of those to use with my L710s. They're standing on 16" Sanus stands currently but I'd prefer to use the originals.

They also made stands for the smaller models, with angled "L" sitting on top of a rectangular upright that slides down onto a squarish steel base. The F400 stand fits L400, L300, can be used with L200, 300C, 200C. L310, L210 etc. Probably would work for the smaller later models too, like L470 and so forth.

John
 
I believe ADS typically recommended isosceles triangle placement for their speakers. The 420/520/620 speakers actually work well placed closer to a wall than you typically would normally.
 
Yes, think this was commented on elsewhere... but please delete the link, links to For Sale or auction listings are only allowed in Dollars and Sense and this thread needs to stay in the Speakers forum where it's a valuable asset for those interested in ADS speakers. Don't want it relocated due to that rules violation. :thmbsp:

Edit: thanks for the quick fix!

John
 
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I speak on this subject with a fair amount of experience, though I was not involved with the brand as a product manager until a bit later on. I've spent a fair amount of time looking at response graphs & other documentation as a result.

I will say this again, hopefully with more clarity this time: if you try and drive any ADS bookshelf speaker into the output levels the 1290/1590/1230/1530 can manage, you will just make it mad and/or break it. It is physically impossible to achieve that level of performance with so little displacement.

These later. smaller bookshelf models were intended for use with subwoofers (in larger rooms or when played at high output levels) or for use in near-field situations where the extended frequency response and modest efficiency can be best utilized. In a larger room or when higher output levels are required, either go big or biamp with a sub.

I also think the later systems are touchier about their power bandwidth. They are lower in efficiency (partly because the cabinet air volumes shrank over time) and the drivers can be fragile. Push them too hard trying to achieve higher output levels and they get strident, then break. Again, that's because by this time a/d/s/ was designing around 2.1 systems using bookshelf speakers and powered and passive subwoofers. Those smaller models are absolutely fabulous when you biamp them with a sub, but nowhere near as pleasant to listen to if you're running them full range with any real power behind them.

Keep in mind when the L420/L520 were designed, ADS had not made their evolutionary step into satellite/subwoofer system design so the tuning of those small speakers was intended to allow them to be effective when running fullrange. Not as much the case by the time the SAT series came along (SAT? Hello? I think that name should tell us something!). So, they may sound better to you than the SAT6 or SAT7 when used as stand-alone pairs but again the later ones were designed for being biamped with a subwoofer.

That's why I said this comparison was apples and oranges.

As to me being blinded by my own collection, quite the opposite. I bought these models because I know how spectacular they can sound when utilized properly. That means I DO have a C10ps powered sub to go with the L400's in my office at work, and an HT12ps sub in my HT system with the HT800 proto towers, but the L1230 and L1290/2 are on their own in my big 2 channel system. They don't need a sub to be effective.

I just think you're being unrealistic in comparing such drastically different speakers. I assure you a pair of the SAT speakers can do anything you need them to, if you set them up correctly in a 2.1 system.

John

P.S. What you are characterizing as a "complete lack of midrange" is in fact a superbly flat response curve. There was nothing wrong with the acoustics of these speakers.

Great post! Having owned several of a/d/s models for nearly a year, I have to say you nailed it with this post. :thmbsp: Not considering the associated gear, I'd say it's matter of preference as to which generation/model of ADS sounds better. Having owned/tried the S600,S700,SAT6,SAT7,L1090,L1290,L1590's, the S700's+sub sounded best to me.
 
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I don't but would love to have a pair of those to use with my L710s.

I know this thread is a year old, but other a/d/s owners might find this info beneficial. Anthony of A&M Fabrication, a.k.a. Dean Van Riper, can make stands that look very similar to the a/d/s originals, and he will ensure they are perfectly sized. I see that he has had customers who had him build them stands for their a/d/s speakers. I'm a satisfied customer with no affiliation who had him fabricate a pair for my Large Advents.

My cost in September was less than $130 to Austin for a pair that were custom cut/welded, powder-coated, and have adjustable height rear spikes. They were also filled with sand and then weld-sealed, so they are nicely damped. That's the standard package. Three months on, I can say I love 'em!

Now I want some a/d/s speakers from the '80s.
 
Does he have patterns or dimensions for replicating the stands used on the L710 and L810?

I have a few sets of the ADS F400 for use with smaller speakers like my L400's but was using a pair of cheap 16" Sanus black stands for my L710's. I would be interested in a set of replica stands for those if he can match the originals fairly closely.

John
 
Does he have patterns or dimensions for replicating the stands used on the L710 and L810?

I have a few sets of the ADS F400 for use with smaller speakers like my L400's but was using a pair of cheap 16" Sanus black stands for my L710's. I would be interested in a set of replica stands for those if he can match the originals fairly closely.

John

Sorry, John, I didn't see your question until now.

Give Anthony a call. He was very accommodating, and I was surprised that he asked for the exact measurements I wanted for my standard, bog common OLA's. I thought he would have a standard template, but it seems that he cuts custom lengths. I'll say again that I love my stands: relatively cheap and very effective. I think they look cool, too, and that's always important. :D
 
I know this is a bit of an old thread, but soundmotor or anyone else a bit more familiar with ADS than I am, could you give me a bit of information on the ADS SW-4 passive sub? Was there a separate crossover/amp unit that ADS supplied with this sub, or did it have a built-in low pass crossover for use with a separate amp, and if so is the crossover fixed or variable? I have a chance to purchase one of these along with a pair of L-810s for what seems to be an extremely good price ($150) and I have had (and commented about on here) plenty of other ADS products, but never one of their passive subs. Thanks in advance for any info!
 
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