Calling All Yamahas. Time to Post Your Pics

[Yamaha B-2]

Are any of the modern Yamaha CD players/DVD players worthy? Do they even sell a single disc _CD_ player anymore? Last I saw it was 5 disc CD or DVD anymore. I see several offered and although I really want an older boat anchor model, I'm open to the possibility that some of their newer gear is still quality, albeit a little lighter.

All of Yamaha's new DVD/CD gear is rebadged Samsung or some such thing. Not Yamaha made. Some have said they tweak them, but that doesn't change the fact that they still weigh about half, or less, of the venerable CDX-1100, 1110, 1120, 2000 or 2020. Go for the weight.

 

[theophile]

Beautiful 2040 Heather,and nice bookcase.:yes:

 

[the-real-mandak]

Teron in Europe they sell the CDX-397 and 497 monsters of 3,5kg they are properly ok, but far from the old big ones. The last super player from Yamaha was the CDX-993, but see the CDX thread in the digital forum.

Here the CDX-497, also comes in black.

Theo you like the bookshelf; I like the antenna, it kind of reminds me of my self

Nice 2040 hjames, but it is getting a little big there on the top.

 

[bully]

Very nice CR-2020, Heather. Yeppers, I always go for the power, too!

 

[Teron]

Very nice CR-2020, Heather. Yeppers, I always go for the power, too!

You meant CR-2040, right?

 

[Yamaha B-2]

Whoops - here we go again - swapped the 1020 for a CR-2040
cleaned the pots with Caig and it sounds sweet, tho it needs a few of those twist in green lamps ... and a lighter veneer (sounds like a learning experience - where's that router!)
Cranked Fleetwood Mac (Rattlesnake Shake), 2nd Santana Album, Yes, Aja, and a few other things (Ornette Coleman, of course) - very nice sounds!

Now I guess I'll be selling the CR-1020 - plays great, cabinet is near perfect,
I just wanted a few more watts and features.

Very nice. From a looks standpoint, is my favorite Yamaha receiver. Contact merrylander. If you'll do the heavy lifting (out of the car into his basement and back) I'll bet you could convince him to put in the light bulbs for you while you wait. At worst, he probably will send you what you need.

 

[Mark B]

I am not so sure about that, I also see a price saying B-2x: 3.600 DM ($2.769), B-1: 4.600 DM ($3.538).

DM = Deutsch Mark, the German currency until they translated into Euro.

The Euro version of the B-2x was more expensive than the B-1.

That's what I get for listening to you! You said the Euro B-2x was more expensive than the B-1 in an earlier post:

Yes according to Orion you are also right, but that is only for the USA. I was looking at some European prices; B-1 1.600 €, B-2x 1.840 €, the different currency can do wired things to the price. Oh and the MX-2000 ($1.900 US Orion) properly also go on top of the B-2x.

BTW - that is a nice B-5 you got there, using the Japanese name to make the confusion total

Yamaha1: I respect you’re judgment over the MX-1000 and 2000 but it is a subjective judgment on the performance not an amp design comparison. It is a bit like saying that the Yamaha V-FET amps are no different that other amps since they share the same kind of power supply and first stage.

So which is right Anders?

 

[Mark B]

In all your posts regarding the amps you compared to the B-2 I see very little mentioned about the BX-1 amps.

Well.....its over. The once and future king remains. The B-2. Simply sounds more musical. Do wish it were the looker that the MX-2000 is, though. Anyone want a 99+ MX-2000? It sure is purty. And, at 61+ pounds, it actually out-weighs the 57+ pound B-2. Just not quite up to the B-2 in sonics. Oh, those VFETs. They simply have the best sound. Can't beat 'em. Maybe I'll just remove the bulbs from the B-2 meters and tell people it is the MX-2000 playing. While a very nice sound, the MX-2000 is like everything else I've tried in the past few years. Simply not up to B-2 standards for sound. Guess it is time to find a B-2x. Think it is one of the last Yamaha amps I've not listened to against the B-2. And, a B-1 & MX-D1, of course.

What do you think about the BX-1's Eric?

 

[Yamaha1]

All of Yamaha's new DVD/CD gear is rebadged Samsung or some such thing. Not Yamaha made. Some have said they tweak them, but that doesn't change the fact that they still weigh about half, or less, of the venerable CDX-1100, 1110, 1120, 2000 or 2020. Go for the weight.

Modern Yamaha DVD, the budget ones are Phillips made in China units, they are ok for the price, offer very good color but audio sucks, the SACD player is and has always been a Panasonic unit, the sound is OK from the Sigma convertor and picture is phenomenal, build quality is good but nothing as compared to previous Yamaha players.

 

[EricC]

What do you think about the BX-1's Eric?

They are currently sitting in Robs shop so I'll let you know when I get them back. Before they went in nothing I had compred to them.

 

[bolly]

Item number: 260152864639

Yamaha MA-62 tube monoblocs!

 

[Yamaha B-2]

What do you think about the BX-1's Eric?

They are currently sitting in Robs shop so I'll let you know when I get them back. Before they went in nothing I had compred to them.

Having compared the BX-1's to the Yamaha B-2 & A-2000 and Sony TA-N86B, I would describe them as being nearer the sound of an MX-1000, which I found did not work as well with the NS-1000 speakers as do the other three amps listed. Some folks describe the MX-1000 as bright. I would agree and think the BX-1s sound bright with the NS-1000. They would do better with a soft-dome tweeter and mid.

 

[Yamaha1]

MX-1000 and MX-1 sound mighty fine and dynamic here with sweet warm sound with my NS-1000x and Ms.

Since this is a highly subjective field and many have voiced in with opinions about the MX-1000, I would chime in my experience with the so called B-2x, I had a chance in the late 80s to own one from someone quite close to me, I decided to bring it home and hook them up to my 1000x and Infinity Kappa 9s I had then, they were very sweet, no doubt the VFETs design was responsible for that trait, however, dynamic they were not, specially in passages of music where great strain would be put on the amp, after a few hours of listening, it just couldn't stir my soul, same was the case with the MX-2000, now the 10000 was another story, it has B-2x's sweetness with more refinement and way more dynamic with control like no other, now I had already exhausted my pockets so my range was either the used B-2x, MX-2000 or brand new 1000, I went for the 1000, EMIT-R on Infinity didn't compliment them well but boy did my 1000x liked em, specially the bottomless bottom of this amp, there was edginess in certain materials but nothing that couldn't be tamed with the treble and mid controls on my 1000x. In 90s I also bought a brand new MX-1, Yamaha took out the edginess and made it sound close to the MX-10000, those who own the MX-1 in this forum will testify to that.

 

[the-real-mandak]

That's what I get for listening to you!

Some times I get into trouble just listening to my self

The price I mentioned first is in Euro, the currency did not exist when these units where sold so the price has been translated into Euro. This opens for errors, since the Euro/D-Mark was calculated in 1999 (1,95583 DEM = 1 EUR) and the prices for the units are from late 70's and mid 80´s.

The last price I mentioned was the MSRP in D-Mark, witch is the historical most correct (for Germany). To get this price into dollars witch compare to the MSRP in Orion Blue Book, I now use this fine map provided by the Danish Ministry of Economics; It shows the historical values between Yen, D-Mark and Dollar. It is D-mark to the left and Yen to the right and notice this interesting "thing" in the early mid 80's this can screw up any translation

Sorry to disturb this thread with something as boring as world economics in a historical perspective.

 

[theophile]

The B2x has v-fets?Or was the comparison with the MX-1000 made with the B-2,which does have v-fets?
Interested parties,who've never had the chance to compare these units(B-2,MX-1000,B2x)would like to know.:yes:

 

[Yamaha B-2]

Only the B-1, B-2 & elusive B-3 had VFETs from Yamaha. The B-2x is, like the A-2000 integrated amp, a BJT output design with a Class A driver stage and A/B output stage with conventional bias. The MX-1000 is a BJT output amp with HCA bias while the MX-2000 is a MOSFET output amp with HCA bias. I would have to go look at the MX-10000 schematic, but think it is the same as the MX-2000 operation. But, am sure that t-r-m will correct me on the MX-10000 if I'm wrong.

The MX-1000 (260wpc) is considerably lighter in construction than the rest of these amps. At just over 45 pounds, it is some 10 pounds lighter in weight than the B-2x (170wpc), the next lightest amp in the group. The B-2x is 55+, the B-2 (100wpc) is 57+, as is the A-2000 (130wpc). The MX-2000 (130wpc) is 61+ and the MX-10000 (250wpc) is one heavy mother at 94+ pounds (about the same as the B-1 (150wpc?) + UC-1).

 

[the-real-mandak]

Well bough the B-2 and B-2x are 26kg or 57lb 3oz, so that would be a tie

About the construction of the MX-10000 we really need Unda to explain this; it is properly the most complicated amp ever to come from Japan. But B-2 you are right and not , I believe the 10000 is closer in design to the B-2x than the MX-1000. The thing is Yamaha took the best ideas from earlier designs, put it all in a tub added a few improvements a lot of yen, stirred it around and out came the MX-10000.

One of the key things in the 10000 is the class A circuit witch comes from the B-2x, if you look at the diagram I posted before the you see the speakers are connected between the class A stage and the A/B output stage, where normally they would be after the A/B output stage. The Yamaha engineers really did amazing stuff in designing this amp :ntwrthy:

 

[Yamaha B-2]

Well bough the B-2 and B-2x are 26kg or 57lb 3oz, so that would be a tie

B-2x service manual lists the B-2x as 25kg = 55 pounds.

All the data are the published numbers from Yamaha service manuals.

Edit: - Mark B, where's the MX-2000?

 

[Mark B]

Only the B-1, B-2 & elusive B-3 had VFETs from Yamaha. The B-2x is, like the A-2000 integrated amp, a BJT output design with a Class A driver stage and A/B output stage with conventional bias. The MX-1000 is a BJT output amp with HCA bias while the MX-2000 is a MOSFET output amp with HCA bias. I would have to go look at the MX-10000 schematic, but think it is the same as the MX-2000 operation. But, am sure that t-r-m will correct me on the MX-10000 if I'm wrong.

The MX-1000 (260wpc) is considerably lighter in construction than the rest of these amps. At just over 45 pounds, it is some 10 pounds lighter in weight than the B-2x (170wpc), the next lightest amp in the group. The B-2x is 55+, the B-2 (100wpc) is 57+, as is the A-2000 (130wpc). The MX-2000 (130wpc) is 61+ and the MX-10000 (250wpc) is one heavy mother at 94+ pounds (about the same as the B-1 (150wpc?) + UC-1).

Using a very accurate digital scale, here's what some of my Yammie amps weigh:

MX-10000.......95lbs
B-2x..............60lbs
B-2................52lbs
MX-1000U.......45lbs
MX-D1............23lbs

 

[Yamaha1]

Well bough the B-2 and B-2x are 26kg or 57lb 3oz, so that would be a tie

About the construction of the MX-10000 we really need Unda to explain this; it is properly the most complicated amp ever to come from Japan. But B-2 you are right and not , I believe the 10000 is closer in design to the B-2x than the MX-1000. The thing is Yamaha took the best ideas from earlier designs, put it all in a tub added a few improvements a lot of yen, stirred it around and out came the MX-10000.

One of the key things in the 10000 is the class A circuit witch comes from the B-2x, if you look at the diagram I posted before the you see the speakers are connected between the class A stage and the A/B output stage, where normally they would be after the A/B output stage. The Yamaha engineers really did amazing stuff in designing this amp :ntwrthy:

The class A operation is acheived with Yamaha's HCA design which was subsequently used in their later MX series amps, this is what the Yamaha releases says, if you go my the Japanese MX-10000 brochure, the power curve is the same as in MX amps. Now unless B-2x was HCA design, I don't see any co-relation here.