likebike23
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Here you go. First definition with no mention of religion. You're welcome.
Cassette Revival (again)
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Late Boomer
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This is a bizarre response.
- If you are describing the critics of cassette cult as dogmatic, why stressing out that they are not driven by religious-like beliefs?
- On the other hand, if you are trying to refute that the church of analog tape is not a religion, you nevertheless implicitly accept its teachings as dogma.
likebike23
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Enjoying something as another facet of an overall enjoyable pastime is far from a Cult or church. To compare it to that is really reaching in my opinion. I used the term dogma in the first definition way. Religion has nothing to do with any of this, that is your own personal perception not mine.
If you cannot see the dogmatic views in this hobby then you aren't looking closely enough. I would like to challenge you to find anybody on AK who enjoys tapes that has spoken absolutely that they are superior to any other format. I have found that is not the case. Cassette officionados are overwhelmingly in the camp that it is their opinion based on their subjective perception. If you manage to find one I will provide 5 examples of someone who states with absolute authority that cassettes are terrible.
There are many more examples of dogmatic thinking here and elsewhere: digital over vinyl, separates vs receivers, shiabata styli vs conical, light tracking vs heavy tracking, single play vs stacking records. I could go on and on.
Late Boomer
Super Member
Um... are you confirming that cassette evangelists are dogmatic? All I did is I pointed to what seemed to me like a contradiction in your prior reply.
likebike23
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Ok dude, now you're trying to be cute. Read the definition and figure it out for yourself.
Late Boomer
Super Member
I am just trying to understand what you've wrote. Do you confirm that cassette proponents are dogmatic? I don't need a long-winded reply with five examples, just a "yes" will suffice. If the answer is "no", then whom did you target with your "dogma is not a religion" statement?
likebike23
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Maybe we not understanding each other's posts? I perceived your first reply to my post as you saying that I somehow view the hobby as a religion because of my use of the word dogma. I replied with the definition to show that I wasn't using the word in that way and didn't appreciate bringing religion into the conversation. If that is incorrect then sorry for misinterpreting.
Anyway, cassette lovers, in my experience are not dogmatic. I have never heard an absolute statement of cassette superiority by any of them, have you? I have however heard plenty of absolute statements made by others that aren't always true.
Late Boomer
Super Member
See this in shorthand:
Without getting into what I meant (which was that some people think their hobby is so sacred they stop short of beheading infidels), I wanted to find out what did you mean. By itself, the third statement does not contradict the first two, but because this is a thread about the cassette hobby it is supposed to be linked to them somehow. Hence the question: what was the link?
It seems that after you used the word "dogma" in relation to "narrow minded people" critiquing your hobby you forgot about it three messages later and decided that it was me claiming that the cassette hobby was a religious dogma. Um, ok. Because you did not want to bring religion into this discussion, you claimed that your opponents are dogmatic, but not religious. Fine. This is not directly related to what I had said prior, but whatever. Crisis averted.
- You: People critiquing [cassette] hobby are driven by a dogma.
- I: [Cassette] hobby may look like a religion.
- You: Dogma is not [necessarily] religion.
Without getting into what I meant (which was that some people think their hobby is so sacred they stop short of beheading infidels), I wanted to find out what did you mean. By itself, the third statement does not contradict the first two, but because this is a thread about the cassette hobby it is supposed to be linked to them somehow. Hence the question: what was the link?
It seems that after you used the word "dogma" in relation to "narrow minded people" critiquing your hobby you forgot about it three messages later and decided that it was me claiming that the cassette hobby was a religious dogma. Um, ok. Because you did not want to bring religion into this discussion, you claimed that your opponents are dogmatic, but not religious. Fine. This is not directly related to what I had said prior, but whatever. Crisis averted.
likebike23
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@Late Boomer, you obviously see something in my posts I don't. If my practice of our hobby is to be compared to a religion, then let's say I am religious about calling out people who aim to present their opinions, in a rude way, as established facts.
perryinva
IS it vintage????
Late Boomer, I have no idea WTF you are talking about. No one ever claimed their hobby was even remotely any kind of religion. It appears you pulled that out simply to insult and bait. What is your agenda? Why such an attitude? Never mind. I’ll just use Ignore.
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What a bizarre thing to say -- this is a forum for polite *discussion* of audio and everything related. Why do some have such a problem with other people's dissenting opinions? The most boring posts in the world are the ones where everyone nods their heads in unison and slaps each other on the back; nothing is learned, nothing is gained, nothing is discussed.
We're talking cassette decks here, not world peace -- why is a differing opinion these days such a hard thing for some people to digest lol? It's really not that hard to skip a post if it's something you're not interested in...
likebike23
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Tell me cassettes gave too much hiss and that dolby only dulls the highs, that's cool.
Tell me cassettes are a pain because the players are complicated and unreliable, ok.
Tell me some prerecorded cassettes were not recorded in a high quality way and don't sound great. Hey. I get that.
Tell me you've moved on to digital because it is more convenient and sounds great, I get it.
Don't tell me "cassettes suck", that's just rude and oversimplified and doesn't add to the conversation.
Get what I'm saying? If you dont then I don't know what else to say. OK, I'm moving on.
Great, not really into chatting with aggressive folks who feel privileged enough to dictate the terms of discussion. Cheers.
likebike23
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Really?
Aggressive and privileged, huh? I'm not sure where personal attacks and trolling fit into polite *discussion*. But hey, I guess I'm the one who is in the wrong here.
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Really?
Aggressive and privileged, huh? I'm not sure where personal attacks and trolling fit into polite *discussion*. But hey, I guess I'm the one who is in the wrong here.
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likebike23
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I feel like I just got slapped with a velvet glove!
intro6
Well-Known Member
Yes, that certainly would be nice, but that is one thing that is never going to happen. I've long admired them, but sadly, I came around just too late to get in on those tape decks back during their prime period. Really though, the rise of the quality cassette deck is what sealed the fate of consumer R2R, just as it also did with 8T. For consumers, not professionals, cassettes at last made the use of hi-fi tape very easy and painless - no need to thread it each time, and significantly reduced size too. Just pop it in and press play. It's no surprise that cassettes then exploded in popularity back at the onset of the 1980s, way, way beyond whatever level that R2R had ever attained. Sure, there's now a dedicated group of R2R aficionados here and it's great that they're keeping these wonderful devices around instead of being inside a landfill somewhere. Still, the cost of entry these days in both prices and aggravation (due to very limited service) is a very big obstacle today. Compared to R2R then, cassettes actually start to look somewhat more hopeful, although in a niche sort of way that is. For one thing, cassettes still have a very wide recognition factor, so much so that I believe that they're culturally iconic ... and that is not a bad place to be.
Agree with most of what you are saying. I still have several nice cassette decks and they are fun to use, so I still use them. RTR is expensive and fussy, good recordings are difficult to find at reasonable prices. However…when it’s all going right, I’ve never heard anything better.
Took my B77 apart yesterday, had to temporarily replace it with a 2-track unit. So I had to break out my old 2-track tapes — I haven’t played those recordings in a while but my god they sound beautiful.
