Copying SACD's
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uofmtiger
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Assuming that the SACDs are hybrids (have a CD layer), you use the same process. Non-hybrid SACDs will not play on regular CD players/burners.
ARRAY
Super Member
If what you mean by burning an SACD and retaining the high resolution info of same onto another regular CD-R, it's not going to fit (of course) from a storage capacity point of view.
Even if you could capture the hi-res audio stream layer it'd have to be dumped direct to hard-drive, DVD or some large capacity media. There is no known(?) way of (easily) capturing an SACD's resolution. There isn't a burner out there available to the public which could copy the "SACD" format even if it were copyable. I'd like someone to prove me wrong on that - honest.
I'd imagine you could hotwire an el cheapo SACD player by somehow outputting the raw stream from near the laser pickup before it hits any encoding circuitry in the player and then dump the digital data to harddrive at which point you could save the info into a DVD-A format.
Even if you could capture the hi-res audio stream layer it'd have to be dumped direct to hard-drive, DVD or some large capacity media. There is no known(?) way of (easily) capturing an SACD's resolution. There isn't a burner out there available to the public which could copy the "SACD" format even if it were copyable. I'd like someone to prove me wrong on that - honest.
I'd imagine you could hotwire an el cheapo SACD player by somehow outputting the raw stream from near the laser pickup before it hits any encoding circuitry in the player and then dump the digital data to harddrive at which point you could save the info into a DVD-A format.
ozmoid
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I haven't tried it, but I will. I'll try just imaging the disc itself (with no regard for format, and no "ripping") and see if the SACD layer makes it through. :thmbsp:
Sounds like it just might be easier for me to buy this SACD if I like it. I have an MP3 rip of it, I was able to get a copy at the local library in SACD, I wanted to hear how good it sounds before proceeding.
This Nickel Creek - Nickel Creek. I like the mandolin playing of Chris Thile. It's produced by Allison Krauss.
I'm sure someone else is going to ask this or has in the past. I'm more about the music than the mechanics of it. Glad you guys can help.
This Nickel Creek - Nickel Creek. I like the mandolin playing of Chris Thile. It's produced by Allison Krauss.
I'm sure someone else is going to ask this or has in the past. I'm more about the music than the mechanics of it. Glad you guys can help.
eljr
Koyaanisqatsi
Are you referring to, "This Side" or another Creek release?
ARRAY
Super Member
Yes its' a sound choice, and I think you'll value it more that way too.
The Tascam DVRA1000 is a professional 2-track recorder for recording high resolution audio at up to 24-bit depth and 192 kHz sample rate. It also can record in Sony's DSD (Direct Stream Digital) format. This is a 1-bit data stream that runs at 2.822MHz and can record 2 Tracks (NOT 5.1). It can not play SACDs or DVD-Audio media. It does not create/author SACD or DVD-A discs as it is a digital recorder and not an authoring unit. It will playback its own discs that have been recorded in the CD-DA, WAVE and DSDIFF formats. It can also create and playback normal Redbook audio discs (44.1k SR/16-bit stereo).
When using the DVRA1000 to record or playback DSD (Direct Stream Digital) audio it is NOT converted to PCM before or after recording. The unit uses a Burr Brown PCM1804 for A/D conversion. It is a single chip stereo A/D Converter that outputs in both PCM and DSD formats due to its precision delta-sigma modulator. This is a true DSD converter that is also found on the Creative Labs E-MU 0404. The DSD1794A D/A converter are 24-Bit 192 kHz Stereo Audio DAC that can operate in PCM or DSD mode and sample rates at up to 200 kHz.
It records to DVD+RW, CD-R/RW media which are relatively inexpensive. Great for mastering audio as well as recording live at up to 24-bit depth and 192 kHz sample rate as well as Sony DSD high-resolution audio format. Sony's DSD format is used for creating SACD (Super Audio CD) for playback on a high resolution SACD player. The files are recorded onto a DVD+R/DVD+RW disc is the UDF 1.5 format which are readable by a PC/MAC. The DVDR1000 comes with a USB 2 port that allows connection to computers. This way you can transfer files created to a computer.
In addition the DV-RA1000 comes with a 3-band EQ with parametric mid-band. There is also a multi-band dynamics processor (3-bands) that can operate as a compressor or expander. You can insert these processors while recording to disc or when playing back audio. The SDIF-3/DSD-raw ports are BNC type connectors that are used for transferring DSD digital information from and to the DV-RA1000. This is what DSD authoring houses use: See Airshow Mastering for SACD authoring. The files are created for use on a DSD computer system such as the Sony Sonoma or Philips SA-CD Creator and Sadie.
The RS-232C port is used for controlling the DV-RA1000 as well as use of the RC-RA1000 remote control. It has a built-in word clock connection for use with other devices. If the recorder is to be synchronized to other devices then there should only be one master clock. You can use the DV-RA1000 as the master or slave using.
It is capable of recording at the following sample rates and bit depths:
CD-R/RW 44.1kHz/16-bit
DVD+RW 44.1kHz/24-bit
(290 min.) 48kHz/24-bit
(267 min.) 88.2kHz/24-bit
(144 min.) 176.4kHz/24-bit
(72 min.)
192kHz/24-bit
(66 min.) DSD (2.8224MHz/1-bit,109 min.)
It comes with professional i/o connections that include balanced XLR, AES-EBU, SPDIF, and SPDIF3 (for DSD). This isn't a DVD-Video player it plays audio CDs or DVD+R/RW media in it's own format. Tascam currently recommends using DVD+RW 4.7GB media from Ricoh, Philips, Maxell, TDK, or Sony. Before using a disc it must be formatted which takes about 30 minutes. Each disc can hold about 110 minutes of DSD format audio. So if you are recording a live concert make sure you have enough formatted discs on hand.
Features
High Resolution stereo recording
Record up to 192kHz/24-bit or Sony DSD format
Records to DVD+RW or CD-R/RW disc
Built-in Multi-band compressor/expander
Built-in 3-Band EQ
Record EQ to disc or insert on playback
USB 2 connection for connecting to PC
Balanced XLR inputs/outputs
RCA inputs/outputs
SPIF3 DSD i/o
Word Clock Synchronization
RS-232C Serial Control Port
LCD display for displaying editing and status info
Wired remote control (RC-RA1000) included
Headphone output
ARRAY
Super Member
Well DJ, that product does seem very interesting. I would like to see if it can successfully dub directly from an SACD player source and still retain the high resolution layer. For $2000 you can buy a lot of SACD player and probably every SACD you'd ever want OTOH. Still, the future looks promising in terms of high resolution recording.
uofmtiger
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The Korg MR-1 Professional Mobile Recorder is around $399 and can also record analog to DSD. My Vaio computer has software that will also do this. I am not sure it is worth $2000 if all you want is to record into DSF format. My Sony computer costs less than that.
The interesting part is that you cannot author an SACD with these programs. In other words, my Oppo will not play the file I created. However, computers can play them with the right add-on. Also, the PS3 can play them if they are in the right folder format. However, it converts them to PCM.
There is more info about it here.
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