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Though the data is still sketchy, letting covid-19 circulate in hope of her immunity could make it more lethal.
I am really worried because there is a surge of cases in California.

How are you doing and how's the situation in your area?
 
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Cases are increasing but we had nowhere to go but up. West Virginia survived the first wave well. However it made people reject cautions and we shall pay for that over the coming months. It seems unless you know someone who's infected and suffering it's just not real. Bad approach..........I don't know anyone with HIV but will not engage in behavior that leads to infection. Widespread stupidity prevails.
 
Not great. My wife is hospital Pharmacist. 20 % of hospital staff is out with covid. That happened within last 3 weeks.
Several of our friends and relatives are in healthcare and reporting similar stats.
I think initial covid outbreak in the beginning wiped out majority of weaker and compromised immune system population WORLDWIDE.
That is the reason there are not nearly as many death cases. Still, very dangerous virus and who knows what long term health complications it may cause.
Just like with seasonal flu, some people will get sick and others won't but eventually we all will get it in one form or another.
 
Not great. My wife is hospital Pharmacist. 20 % of hospital staff is out with covid. That happened within last 3 weeks.
Several of our friends and relatives are in healthcare and reporting similar stats.
I think initial covid outbreak in the beginning wiped out majority of weaker and compromised immune system population WORLDWIDE.
That is the reason there are not nearly as many death cases. Still, very dangerous virus and who knows what long term health complications it may cause.
Just like with seasonal flu, some people will get sick and others won't but eventually we all will get it in one form or another.

incorrect statement. The pro's have a better idea how to treat the virus.
 
Though the data is still sketchy, letting covid-19 circulate in hope of her immunity could make it more lethal. I am really worried because there is a surge of cases in California.

How are you doing and how's the situation in your area?

Uninformed people is the reason it spreads. I personally social distance every day all the time since I retired in 2008.
 
incorrect statement. The pro's have a better idea how to treat the virus.
Effect of the virus is very individual. My family in NYC all went though it in Feb-March. 9 people. Before Pros knew what it was. All 9 people in 2 households including 4 children, one newborn. All had similar symptoms but to different level of illness. Really heavy flu. No one needed ventilator.
Again, depends on each own immune system. Athletes go through it with ease. My daughter's tennis coach (64yo guy) had low grade fever for 6 hrs and was fine in 2 days but kept himself quarantined for 2 weeks. Pros may know how to code but it's still up to individual health to fight it off.
 
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Not great. My wife is hospital Pharmacist. 20 % of hospital staff is out with covid. That happened within last 3 weeks.
Several of our friends and relatives are in healthcare and reporting similar stats.
I think initial covid outbreak in the beginning wiped out majority of weaker and compromised immune system population WORLDWIDE.
That is the reason there are not nearly as many death cases. Still, very dangerous virus and who knows what long term health complications it may cause.
Just like with seasonal flu, some people will get sick and others won't but eventually we all will get it in one form or another.
you are actually closer than you think. we think the next iteration of the model will have decent approximation of the total toll and this is the readers digest why:

the reconciled intersection of 2 graphed sets lays out the death rate rather neatly.

set 1: with the exception of a few people hiding out, we know the numbers and ages of every person in the USA. if we assign your last birthday as your age, you can make a graph of 0, 1, 2,3 etc on the x axis up to the oldest person in the US and the y axis is the number of people at that age. all of our babies are in the 0, and it climbs slightly until a couple peaks around my age (baby boomers) and then curtails sharply in numbers until it starts to tail off asymptotically over 100. (how many 100's ,101's etc up to 115? 114?

we learn quickly that appx 16.5% of the US population is 65+ SS recipients!

set 2:now make a graph of each age range that got covid, and died. It starts off real low in numbers and really does not move with much effect until the 30's but over all still low. it still climbs slowly and then around age 60 the curve rises sharply and then levels back off and even falls - not everyone who gets it dies, and the percentage of the population falls off as it ages. the rise is around the baby boomers who are the largest of any population segment, for now.

what we end up with is 75%ish of the deaths are retirees. But not ALL retirees die. the chance of a bad outcome is enhanced by the presence of a co-morbidity, but the presence of a co morbidity is not a constant or even linear, co morbidy + age are a factor - duh, ask any insurance agent.

so let me go out on a limb and surmise that since it is AFTER nov3rd, we can dispense with the bullshit. If the number of 'eligible to die' people using a combination of age, comorbidity, covid diminishes, CONTRARY to MSM reports, it does not select other age groups, meaning when the type 2 diabetes 80 year olds are depleted, average 50 year olds are not next. It will NOT be a constant rate or percentage. Right now for example wit ha few clicks we can read that south dakota is in dire straights. But, almost 80% of the deaths thus far have been retirees - bingo. Even still in south dakota if you catch covid at age 80, you have a greater than 95% chance of walking away.

throwing a curve into this is something that Pasteur (France) has been gnawing on, they feel that the actual exposure rate to date is appx 20 times that of what is visible. about a month ago I attended a talk with Dr Fauci and one of the questions many of us had was just that. He declined to answer as it was BEFORE Nov 3rd but if this is true, at the current rate of symptomatic infections, the population of 'eligible to die' will start to deplete and no, it wont be replenished thru spite but rather natural means - as we all age and **** starts to fall off.

Full disclosure: earlier this year, the MSM was not just into scaring children and their teachers. It worked pretty well on adults too such that every person in command and control asked a simple question: will we even have people on mission? Well doctors know wondrous things about disease and illness and guts and stuff, but they generally know dick about math. so officially I am unofficially working on this little project with many others in a cooperative collaboration lending a calculator when needed but mostly programming skill in dead languages (like asm, basic, fortran, pascal, C) in order to convert formulas and integrals into arrays and the like....boring stuff. we are trying to get something relatively effective out soon as pretty much in late january our participation will end.

so still, this is the real stuff for the elderly and infirm. our concern should be THERE and not necessarily at school or costco.... Its easier to protect 16.5% of the population than 100%
 
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Quirt around where I live, some do and some do not wear masks, all summer, fall, people flock here to recreate from Mass, RI and Conn and nothing really changed.

More cases on Mass border and the Coast. Governor just put in mandatory mask order.

I like where I live.
 
As of this coming Saturday, California has issued a curfew from 10:00 PM to 5:00 AM for non-essential activities. It affects 41 of 58 counties (94% of the population).
 
set 2:now make a graph of each age range that got covid, and died. It starts off real low in numbers and really does not move with much effect until the 30's but over all still low. it still climbs slowly and then around age 60 the curve rises sharply and then levels back off and even falls - not everyone who gets it dies, and the percentage of the population falls off as it ages. the rise is around the baby boomers who are the largest of any population segment, for now.

what we end up with is 75%ish of the deaths are retirees. But not ALL retirees die. the chance of a bad outcome is enhanced by the presence of a co-morbidity, but the presence of a co morbidity is not a constant or even linear, co morbidy + age are a factor - duh, ask any insurance agent.

we learn quickly that appx 16.5% of the US population is 65+ SS recipients!
our concern should be THERE and not necessarily at school or costco.... Its easier to protect 16.5% of the population than 100%

So the bug likes baby boomers. How come we are so special?
 
Though the data is still sketchy, letting covid-19 circulate in hope of her immunity could make it more lethal.
I am really worried because there is a surge of cases in California.
Even the common cold evolves, as does seasonal flu - for which we have an annually tweaked vaccine. The reason for surges in cases is because either the area in question has no 'rules' or because the rules that are stipulated are not being adhered to. So many people have been paying far too much attention to the nonsense being spread about the virus, and the result of this is the virus is spreading.

In the UK we are currently in 'lockdown' which is an attempt to break the stranglehold the virus has on this country. We have seen surges in case in some areas, and it seems that it is in these areas that rules are not being followed. The basic rules are 'Wear A Mask', 'Observe Social Distancing', and 'Wash Your Hands'. There are many other locally applied rules, all designed by experts to limit the spread of this terrible Virus and save lives, potentially YOUR life. If you don't think this applies to you, or you feel it is an infringement of your personal freedom, or you just refuse to do it for whatever reason - then you can go to hell.

Rant over.
 
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Lock down, slow virus. Open up, increase virus. Repeat over and over, because virus has not been destroyed.
Question: Does this approach seem to work?
 
has *any* virus been eradicated? ever?

no, it hasn't. Even polio is still out there, it's just that the polio vaccine is 100% effective if administered properly. We are still affected by the spanish flu , every year. And this virus will mutate, as most all do, so this initial vaccine will eventually have to be adjusted for the wuhan virus changes, just like the flu shot.
This increase was predicted back in the spring.
Here's my anecdotal evidence. One son is a navy doctor and his wife is a nurse in Va. They haven't seen any major problems. Another daughter-in-law in wichita ,Ks., hasn't seen any major problems. Another son, a physician assistant in Co. who is part of a practice with around 5,000 patients has seen more cases ( more testing capability)but not extreme results.
If you're 80 or above and/or with significant secondary medical issues, maybe you should just stay home.
Here in Pa. we've set a new high of reported cases, once again more testing capabilities, but no significant ICU or ventilator increases or use.
Since the spring, I have not seen a reduction in mask use indoors, or for that matter , even outside, yet here we are with big increases in cases. I don't know, but just what is that saying? ...
I'm not wearing my mask outside, and not wearing a mask inside my own home, including thanksgiving.
My age group (67) is like a 99.9% survival rate. I don't want it, heck, I don't want the flu, but If I was THAT worried, I'd stay home. That would be my suggestion for anyone else.
Just don't try to force me, please.
 
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