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Crown; a victim of unfair generalization?

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...but I have to know.
In many forums I've seen no love for Crown amps. Crowns are often described as "reliable, but not very good sounding." However, while I've never owned nor heard any Crown yet, I found it hard to believe they're bad-sounding amps.

First, Ken Rockwell's measurements suggest that Crown D-75 is a very clean sounding amplifier. Yeah, I knew this is a guy who called audiophiles "pedophiles", but numbers are numbers, no?

Its outputs are silent, much better than active speakers more popular today.
If you get hum at the speaker outputs, remove the ground jumper and store it rotated 90º on either of the two screw terminals.
Otherwise this is a typical good solid-state amplifier; it has no sound of its own. Whatever goes in is what comes out, and if there is any sort of distortion or other problem, the IOC lights to warn you before it becomes audible.
It lacks the euphonic colorations and distortions of tube amplifiers. As a professional product, it lives to serve by faithfully reproducing what it's fed, not trying to make music sound even better than it is.
It's very revealing. You'll hear all the inner detail and details like footsteps behind the stage.
If you want great sound, get a tube amplifier. If you want accurate sound cheap, get one of these.


I've also read many great reports of people who use Crown amplifier to drive their JBL titanium dome series, like JBL 4410 and JBL 4412. The following an example:

I have pulled great mixes for years using my JBL 4410s powered by a Crown DC-150A.
I re-capped the Crown somewhere back there.
There are lots of amplifiers that will work since the JBLs are somewhat forgiving.


Also here:

I've run my L112s and O30s on a Crown D150 and D150A-II for years with great results. That being said, I currently am using a DC300A-II with the 030 and a Crown PS400 with my L112s and 4412As with even better results, according to my ears. Back in 1974 when I bought my first Crown the stereo shop (Hi-Fidelity Showroom in St.Louis) let me take home one of each Crown (D75, D150, DC300) to compare them in my system (Mac C20). I believed then that each successive increase in power (and cost) sounded better to me. But as a college student, I stopped at the D150. Now, over 30 years later, I'm catching up on the amps I couldn't afford then. I loan-out amps from my stash to my neighbors and currently just got back my first D150A-II that was filling in for a Phase Linear 400 that passed smoke. I swapped it for another D150A-II that needed some exercise. I currently own seven Crown amps and think any of them would work fine for what you want to do with your L112s. A nice DC300A-II or PS400 can be had for just over $200 with some regularity.


And here:

The 4408's and the 4410's were the best sounding in that range. The 4408 is a good A/V editing suite speaker. When I was selling those, I always paired them up with a beefy Crown or a Bryston.


Also, from our forum:
I've run my L112s for over 30-years using a Crown D150 amp. They don't need much power and can be driven effortlessly at levels beyond where you'd be able to stay in the room. Last night I was running my 4412As using a Crown PS200 at volume and they sounded fantastic. If you really think you need more power, then I'd suggest a Crown PS400. No fans on these. JBL and Crown went together very well long before they were both part of Harman.


And this too:
I run 4408s at work and believe it or not I like them better than the 4410... I'll give you that this is in a production studio and the 4410s are in larger studios, but I find them more detailed.

Both are powered by Crown amps, the 4408 with Crown D40 and the 4410s with Crown D75.

I'm guessing both have much more potential - but the 4408 is my preference.

I found JBL titanium dome series to be quite revealing. I experienced listening fatigue in the long run when driving my JBL 120Tis and JBL L20Ts using crisp-sounding Yamaha RX-V663 (it seems Yamaha AV receivers sound less mellow than vintage Yamaha "natural sound" amps). But those users reported good results on using Crown amps to drive JBL titanium dome series. So, any chance Crown amps would sound better on JBL 120Tis than a typical Yamaha AVR?


Also, JBL suggests Crown I-Tech 5000HD to power their TOTL M2 monitor series.


Yeah, I knew, different amp models do not sound the same, even those from the same brand. For example, Sansui A-40 sounds warmer, darker, and grainier than Sansui AU-7900. However, calling Crown bad-sounding is unfair generalization, isn't it?

For those have listened to Crowns, could you please share your experience? Are they dark? Are they bright? Also, what speakers are you using with it?
 
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IMO - Excellent sounding amps. I have five Crowns and all of them are for hifi. You would be surprised how many "audiophiles" are running the XLS series. You might try this search -

Crown XLS for hifi

see what you get.
 
Thanks for the replies. What do you guys think about Crown Com-Tech series? How good do they sound?

I recently become very interested in Crown CT 210, since it supports parallel-mono operation. Unlike bridge-mono, which doubles the voltage, parallel-mono doubles the current. So it's an interesting solution for my hard-to-drive B&W DM302. Three Crown CT 210s, strapped in parallel, should provide more than enough current for my three B&W DM302 L-C-R speakers.

But how does the CT-210 sound?

B&W DM302 seems to work well with crisp-sounding, bright-sounding amps. An example is Yamaha RX-V663 AV receiver's built-in amplifier, the resultant sound is very organic and sweet. The only downside is the RX-V663 simply doesn"t have enough power, resulting in distorted sound at high volume. Low to med volume sounds sweed and nice though.

B&W DM302 doesn't seem to work well with warm-sounding amplifiers. My Rotel RB-985 has enough juice to drive the DM302, but the resultant sound tends to be shouty at any volume levels.

Considering the two facts above, would Crown Com-Tech 210 sound good for the B&W?
 
Besides the XLS I now own, I had a Micro-tech series and it was a beast that sounded good. I worked in radio and our monitor and headphone amps were Crown. I did sound reinforcement and the amps were Crown. I am not a Crown homer. I just have tried MANY amps and receivers and the big bang per dollar was the Crown. I want to find a nice D75. All Crowns (IMO) just pass what goes into them without paying the bragging-rights premium.
 
Warm sounding amplifiers are usually not "shouty". Shouty is pretty much the opposite of warm.
I knew, but Rotel RB-985 indeed sounds shouty sometimes when driving B&W DM302s. The RB-985 does not sound shouty at all when driving JBL L20Ts. In fact, it sounds properly warm and nice when driving the L20Ts, but it indeed sounds shouty when driving the B&W --for some reason I don't understand.

Same goes with the warm-sounding Sansui A-40. It sounds nice and warm when driving JBL L20T, but it also sound shouty when driving B&W DM302s.

Why is that?


Besides the XLS I now own, I had a Micro-tech series and it was a beast that sounded good. I worked in radio and our monitor and headphone amps were Crown. I did sound reinforcement and the amps were Crown. I am not a Crown homer. I just have tried MANY amps and receivers and the big bang per dollar was the Crown. I want to find a nice D75. All Crowns (IMO) just pass what goes into them without paying the bragging-rights premium.
I see. Is it reasonable to assume Com-Tech sound at least as good as Micro-Tech?
 
My first impressions of my recently acquired in the past couple of months Crown power amps: Love them to Death!
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Some people read too much and believe the claims of the high end ($) boutique amps. Where do you think they got their feet wet?
 
I used to run a XLi 800 in my system, on a set of Polk LSis. It wasn’t amazing, but it got the job done. I found it to be incredibly flat, and very clear, although no competition for my friend’s Parasound. But hey, that Parasound costs many times what my Crown did, and he bought the Parasound used!
 
I think the bad rep goes back to the DC-300 and IC-150A, which IMO are slightly harsh/fatiguing. OTOH, I'd put my PS-200 up against just about anything for sound quality. I've heard a lot of good things about the newer units too.
 
Not really the IC-150a, but the earlier IC-150 that gave Crown the bad rap. It was paired with other Crown amps and the rumors spread and cast a dark cloud over the brand. Never had an IC-150 so I have no bad words to say about the brand.
 
Might be the speakers, usually is.
Indeed. I still don't understand why B&W DM302s do not sound very good with warmer or darker sounding amps, yet they sound really sweet with crisp-sounding amps.

In any case, has anyone tried Crown Com-Tech? Does it sound good?
 
I've personally never heard a Crown amp that sounded anything but great. I've owned a MicroTech 2400 for 20 years now. It works and sounds as perfectly today as the day I acquired it.

Now that doesn't mean that a $200 Crown XLS is all you need for HiFi ...
 
Back in the 70s :smoke: and tied to my Sony TA2000F, the D150 was a great match. My 4311s really came alive with a friend's DC300.

We tried his IC150, but only for 30 minutes or so. :thumbsdown:
 
Can't answer the Com-Tech questions but, since I'm heavily quoted in the opening posts in this thread, I can update to say my JBL 4345s love running bi-amped with Crown PS400 and PS200. Haven't yet had the chance to try the Studio Reference-II I acquired for my JBL 250tis but I have high hopes for it. I have several D45s, D75As and all versions of the D-series-II amps but the PS are my favorites and in use every day. I carry a D75A around in my car in case I come across a pair of speakers I want to audition. An amp and a phone is all I need.
 
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i got an xls1500, cheap
i never intended it for stereo, but couldnt resist trying.
i was just ok
the top end was just plain flat, i didnt experiment too much.

i bought it to replace a subwoofer plate amp.
i does that very well, tons of power, bridgable,and variable x-over.
it can run a couple subs with no problem
 
Oddly, long ago the IC-150A was widely believed to be a step down in sound quality. People preferred the original 150. Today it seems to be the other way around. Dang kids today, what're you going to do? I've never owned both at the same time to compare. I bought a new IC-150A when it came out and there was actually a short transition time when the the A version was cosmetically more like the early one. Mine quickly failed due to their use of the quirky and unreliable Raytheon 4195 voltage regulator. It was fixed and I had it for a few years, but sold it due to SQ issues. Since then I've had a couple more, but always got rid of them for the same reason- fatiguing sound quality. The problem is I like the overall control layout and the mechanical quality. Fortunately the price has gone up enough that I doubt I'll be tempted again. You'd think the circuitry would lend itself to modifications to help the SQ, but the way they arranged it, a comprehensive mod is difficult. The best mod would probably be to replace the board with something entirely new, keeping only the chassis and controls.
 
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