Despicable state of kids today - Video
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I didn't realize there was money involved- I'll go looking.
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OK- caught up. Here are some post-incident videos of Mrs. Klein speaking about it. Donations now approaching $160K.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...apology-but-still-believes-all-kids-arent-bad
http://www.democratandchronicle.com...Klein-reacts-to-bullying-video?nclick_check=1
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/videonetwork/1699162064001/Greece-bus-monitor-news-conference
and if you missed it, the Today Show interview this morning.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47896...nitor-bullied-tears-kids-can-be-really-nasty/
EDIT:
OK- caught up. Here are some post-incident videos of Mrs. Klein speaking about it. Donations now approaching $160K.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...apology-but-still-believes-all-kids-arent-bad
http://www.democratandchronicle.com...Klein-reacts-to-bullying-video?nclick_check=1
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/videonetwork/1699162064001/Greece-bus-monitor-news-conference
and if you missed it, the Today Show interview this morning.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47896...nitor-bullied-tears-kids-can-be-really-nasty/
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robgmn
Super Member
I find it funny that people say "you're basing what you say on a single-point perspective" and that things are really no different today than they were 10, 20, 30 years ago.
In 1960, the index of aggravated assaults per 100K people was 86.1.
In 2010, it was 324.
300% increase.
In 1960, rape was 9.6 per 100K people.
In 2010 it was 27.5
300% increase.
In 1960 larceny was 1,074 per 100K people.
In 2010, it was 2,003.
200% increase.
In 1960, violent crime was at 170 per 100K people.
In 2010 it was 403.
240% increase.
Maybe all the people who say that things have changed are using their single-point persepctive (from all parts of the country) and are therefore "wrong", but these statistics lead me to believe otherwise.
Sigh.
In 1960, the index of aggravated assaults per 100K people was 86.1.
In 2010, it was 324.
300% increase.
In 1960, rape was 9.6 per 100K people.
In 2010 it was 27.5
300% increase.
In 1960 larceny was 1,074 per 100K people.
In 2010, it was 2,003.
200% increase.
In 1960, violent crime was at 170 per 100K people.
In 2010 it was 403.
240% increase.
Maybe all the people who say that things have changed are using their single-point persepctive (from all parts of the country) and are therefore "wrong", but these statistics lead me to believe otherwise.
Sigh.
Being a science guy, I will pay attention to the numbers, but with a cautious and skeptical eye. The stats may say it, but who's gathering the data? Who's interpreting the data? And likely, the definitions have changed (read: been expanded) for each of the crimes in the intervening 51 years.
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There also might be more of an openness to report such things. Take domestic assault, for example. Hitting your wife once in a while to keep her in line was once not thought to be that abnormal by some people. So it wouldn't be reported. Also, in an age where the society was expected to put on the veneer of the Andy Griffith show, people would be less apt to report incidents that seemed imperfect if they thought their neighbors were perfect. Keeping up with the Jones is often keeping up with the lies of the Joneses.
stereofanboy
Addicted Member
Children aren't fully developed socially, just as they aren't full developed physically and mentally. Childhood has probably always been littered with random, as well as systematic and calculated, acts of cruelty, as children test their social wings and learn their place among their peers. I won't deny this.
What is mostly being overlooked here, is that this wasn't between peers. This was stepping outside the group to pick on an adult. Not just an adult, but an old woman.
I can't speak with any confidence on how things were up north, or out west, in large metropolitan areas, or how they were during the latter part of the '80s, the '90s or since. I probably haven't set foot in a public school ten times since 1984, and on most of those occasions, it wasn't during school hours. I can comment on my experiences, in my neighborhood, my school, my town, during my time.
I'm sorry Clay, but in the '60s and '70s my world was pretty Andy Griffith. Bullying episodes weren't terribly uncommon, but they tended to not last as long as the one in the video. Someone (usually an adult, but sometimes other kids) put a stop to it.
Someone attempting to bully an adult like was done in the video would have surprised us as much as if they had sprouted wings, and flown away to the North Pole. You notice I used the word attempting. That is because such an effort would have been nipped in the bud by the adult. If the adult in question was female or elderly, and no other adults were available, the other kids would have nipped it.
Widespread and instant communication has made us aware of incidents like this one that we would have never known about, before. That's true, but it has other effects that are being overlooked.
Someone mentioned a "coarsening" of society. If you look at popular television, movies, and music since the '50s through to today, I don't think you can reasonably deny that it is happening (I left out literature because I'm guessing our subjects don't include many avid readers).
As with most aspects of our culture, this has tended to originate in the more populous areas and spread to the less populous areas. During the '50s, '60s, and '70s the spread was kind of slow, but picking up speed. Now, when nearly everyone has television and internet access, it is becoming very quick.
While assholery is nothing new, this increasingly rapid spread of ideas and information is unprecedented. Elderly people today have been witness to more cultural change than any previous generation. Young people today can't fully appreciate the scope of those changes, having not lived through them. Before they are done, they will.
What is mostly being overlooked here, is that this wasn't between peers. This was stepping outside the group to pick on an adult. Not just an adult, but an old woman.
I can't speak with any confidence on how things were up north, or out west, in large metropolitan areas, or how they were during the latter part of the '80s, the '90s or since. I probably haven't set foot in a public school ten times since 1984, and on most of those occasions, it wasn't during school hours. I can comment on my experiences, in my neighborhood, my school, my town, during my time.
I'm sorry Clay, but in the '60s and '70s my world was pretty Andy Griffith. Bullying episodes weren't terribly uncommon, but they tended to not last as long as the one in the video. Someone (usually an adult, but sometimes other kids) put a stop to it.
Someone attempting to bully an adult like was done in the video would have surprised us as much as if they had sprouted wings, and flown away to the North Pole. You notice I used the word attempting. That is because such an effort would have been nipped in the bud by the adult. If the adult in question was female or elderly, and no other adults were available, the other kids would have nipped it.
Widespread and instant communication has made us aware of incidents like this one that we would have never known about, before. That's true, but it has other effects that are being overlooked.
Someone mentioned a "coarsening" of society. If you look at popular television, movies, and music since the '50s through to today, I don't think you can reasonably deny that it is happening (I left out literature because I'm guessing our subjects don't include many avid readers).
As with most aspects of our culture, this has tended to originate in the more populous areas and spread to the less populous areas. During the '50s, '60s, and '70s the spread was kind of slow, but picking up speed. Now, when nearly everyone has television and internet access, it is becoming very quick.
While assholery is nothing new, this increasingly rapid spread of ideas and information is unprecedented. Elderly people today have been witness to more cultural change than any previous generation. Young people today can't fully appreciate the scope of those changes, having not lived through them. Before they are done, they will.
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That's exactly my point, John. Under-reporting in the past and possibly over-reporting now stilts the stats.
I'm also perfectly willing to admit that I think society is kind of in the shitter. But that doesn't mean that I think bullying is something new, even on this level. I saw it in middle school. This one asshole picked on this one teacher I had all the time simply because she didn't stop him. Then one day she snapped, and even though she was 6-months pregnant, she kicked a trash can all the way across the room, let out a slew of profanities in his direction the likes of which Lake Middle School had never heard, then left, and slammed the door so hard that it slammed, bounced open, and slammed again. The bully almost started crying because everybody was laughing...not at the teacher, but at him. It really wasn't much different than this video. And this was 1987. It's not the '60s, but that kid had parents and I doubt they were much different when they were young. He was genetically an asshole. Through and through.
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That was me. This,
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And this. All of what I've been trying to communicate, albeit not in one post as you've done. Very nice!
pbda
Super Member
A superb and articulate post in all respects. :thmbsp:
Kids making the bus monitor cry
Kids making the bus monitor cry
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Kids electrocute dad with car
Kids electrocute dad with car, hope this was not fathers day.
Kids making the bus monitor cry
Kids making the bus monitor cry, this poor lady needs a vacation and the kids need to be sent to military school. Please Donate so Karen can retire from this job
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Kids electrocute dad with car
Kids electrocute dad with car, hope this was not fathers day.
An outstanding post, and I essentially agree with 100% of it, with some qualifiers.
Absolutely. Children can be the cruelest of all individuals because they have no understanding of the impact of what they're doing or saying.
So was mine. I never saw anything like this, ever.
Other than the bus driver, who may or may not have known what was going on, the elderly woman chose to not respond directly, (as she stated in a subsequent interview), so this is actually a single data point. In any other situation, in any other time or setting, the adult being bullied may well have chosen to react very differently than this woman did.
Agree with that 100%. 12 year olds today know words, hell, they use words, that most of us had never even heard at that age. Sad. Childhood has changed in dramatic ways. This exposure has resulted in both a coarsening, as you accurately described, and a significantly accelerated rate of, well, sophistication. Not always in a good way. Unfortunately not all aspects of a person's psyche matures at the same speed.
The part about being aware of and sensitive to another person's feelings appears to happen last.
33&athird
Turn on & Tune in
Stereofanboy, I won't quote the whole thing, but I wanted to say that was a excellently written post. That opening paragraph is far more true than most would assume it is. Definitely some good points...I personally would not say that one media has caused cultural shifts, but perhaps the cultural shifts influence the media (this is a whole 'nother topic, really)
I normally don't keep up with reddit, i'll admit to crusing the internet too much, but never had an idea that they did such a thing (I figured it was just a post and vote site). It's really stunning that they have gotten up to 6 digits...man, I wonder if she isn't just going to retire at the end of it.
Taowolf51
Well-Known Member
Where did you get that info, because the info I found paints quite a different picture. The Federal Bureau of Justice has these statistics that show violent crime trends (12 and over) in fact going down since 1973 (when it starts). In 1973 the numbers were 47.7/1000 persons. It raised up until the peak of 1981 at 52.3/1000 persons. Then it lowered slowly (peaking again in 1994) until it dropped like a rock in the mid 90's to 2000s. At 2009, it is only 16.9/1000 persons.
You can see each year here:
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/viortrdtab.cfm
Yeah, a few things have been in the news relating to it, and surprisingly, 6 figures is usually the amount they reach in a day or two of these popular donations. Usually, they're for individuals or small groups rather than large charities, but they've raised some crazy amounts of money for larger charities as well.
Reddit holds a surprising amount of power, especially when they all collectively decide to use it. They were behind that big SOPA internet blackout protest not too far back.
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Well, for all the folks quoting "The Andy Griffith Show", Mayberry had bullies too...
http://www.tv.com/shows/the-andy-griffith-show/opie-and-the-bully-8362/recap/
http://www.tv.com/shows/the-andy-griffith-show/opie-and-the-bully-8362/recap/
robgmn
Super Member
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm (compile from FBI uniform crime reports).
This has some data too (which shows an increase per 100K):http://www.census.gov/statab/hist/HS-23.pdf
I can't speak for the accuracy of the FBI or Census Bureau statistics, but I don't personally accept the belief that crime rates are going up simply because people are more likely to report a crime now (in 1960 when someone stole a car or robbed a house, people avoided reporting it to the cops?).
I DO believe they are increasing at a per-100K rate.
I DO believe that all of the personal experiences of "Mayberry, RFD" represent some truth as they are from all parts of the country, not just from a group of peole living in the same town.
Statistics can be massaged and fudged, but why would it be done to make us look even worse in the world view (ain't it already bad enough that the US has 5% of the world's population, but 25% of the world's INCARCERATED population)?
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