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Diehard Bose Head

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Okay, so most of my life I have owned Bose 501's and 901's I think of Bose as being a live sound(all around stereo sound) and other speakers I've listen to over the years like JBL, Infinity, ADS I consider them to be studio speakers(with a small area of stereo sound) move out of that area and your only hearing one side or the other.........am I wrong thinking this way.

My Bose have the highs and the lows I get an all around the room no matter where I am sitting live stereo sound and like that.

Yes and no is the answer to your statement. Bose employ a Direct Reflect principle, stereo is not Bose's strong suit some might say and without stereo it would be difficult to obtain imaging, their sound is designed to fill a big room/house.

In simple terms, then there are home speakers and yes the sweet spot is at the apex of the listening triangle to fully appreciate stereo and sound staging. But in saying that they have no problems filling a room/house with music.

Monitors are principally designed to be used in small/er spaces where critical listening is required, where stereo and imaging are paramount. Think speakers that are like headphones.

Hope this kinda helps confirm your thinking.

Rob
 
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Bose are intended to be used in rooms with lots of space around the speakers. The antithesis of a studio monitor which is intended to be used near the engineer or operator in the studio mounted above the console or near it.
 
One more thing I would like to clear up I'm not looking for justification for liking Bose and by no means was I putting down any of the speakers I mentioned in the original post and when I asked if I was wrong to think that way that was a serious question if I've got it all wrong then teach me something I don't know. Hell, I'm open minded and I'm always willing to learn new things I'm 49 and by no means am I stuck in my ways. I'm sure if I had the money I would have a top of the line system but that's just not something I can afford right now and maybe never will.

If you would like to post what speakers your currently using and what you like most about them cool I would love to hear what you have.

Take it Easy, Mike.

Although my first post seems to have been misunderstood by some, (Please gentlemen, read what people actually post, not what you think they posted.) it was nothing more than a rather circuitous way of saying that there can't be anything wrong in liking what you like.

Even if you had large pockets you'd still like Bose speakers. The all around the room diffuse stereo sound they give is something most other speakers don't do. So you might buy them even with an unlimited budget. I don't like them regardless of the state of my finances. The same goes for the other brands I mentioned.

All the gear I currently use except for wires and interconnects is listed in my signature. I use electrostatic speakers because they get the midrange right. IMO very few other speakers do.
 
Legs. This thread has them :rolleyes:

And you can have my 501 IIs when you can pry them from my cold, dead hands :D
 
Okay, so most of my life I have owned Bose 501's and 901's I think of Bose as being a live sound(all around stereo sound) and other speakers I've listen to over the years like JBL, Infinity, ADS I consider them to be studio speakers(with a small area of stereo sound) move out of that area and your only hearing one side or the other.........am I wrong thinking this way.

My Bose have the highs and the lows I get an all around the room no matter where I am sitting live stereo sound and like that.

I'm thinking about getting some studio monitor type of speakers just wanted to hear everyones thoughts on the subject.


Thanks again, Mike.

You are welcome to like your Bose speakers. You're kind of new here. I wonder if you realize how much vitriol the Bose vs. any other speaker argument brings out. There is more controversy surrounding any Bose product than any product made by any other manufacturer.:scratch2:

FWIW: I've never heard any Bose speaker (or product) that I thought was worth spending any time with or any money for. Of course there are other manufacturers that make speakers that IMO are almost as bad. Klipsch being the one that comes to mind first. Most JBLs are for me a close second to Klipsch. But then, I use tube driven electrostatics, am old, set in my ways and don't really care what people think of my choices.:D

My advice is, like what you like and don't try to have others help you justify your choices.:smoke:



He asked, someone answered. That is what I got out of the post, Joe said if you like 'em, like 'em regardless of what others say.

I don't see any thread-shixxing here.
 
One more thing I would like to clear up I'm not looking for justification for liking Bose and by no means was I putting down any of the speakers I mentioned in the original post and when I asked if I was wrong to think that way that was a serious question if I've got it all wrong then teach me something I don't know. Hell, I'm open minded and I'm always willing to learn new things I'm 49 and by no means am I stuck in my ways. I'm sure if I had the money I would have a top of the line system but that's just not something I can afford right now and maybe never will.

If you would like to post what speakers your currently using and what you like most about them cool I would love to hear what you have.

Take it Easy, Mike.


Hi Mike!

I grew up on bose also, and to my ears, Dipole speakers are the way to go. Bose 'emulate' some of the sound of a dipole, which is why people like them (IMO). I believe the 901's are considered a bipole speaker, but hopefully someone here will correct me if I'm wrong.

Once you hear a proper dipole speaker, set up correctly, You're probably going to be hooked for life.:music:

So, I'd recommend Magneplaners (of course, I love maggies, as anyone here will tell you) with a sub, or you can look at more expensive/esoteric planer speakers, either electrostatic or magnetic.

IMO, a room that acoustically matches BOSE 901 will be a good match for a good dipole.

Good luck, and please keep us all updated on your quest, after all the seeking is half the fun.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole_speaker

A dipole speaker enclosure in its simplest form is constructed by mounting a loudspeaker driver on a flat panel. The panel may be folded to conserve space.

The term dipole derives from the fact that the polar response consists of two lobes, with equal radiation forwards and backwards, and none perpendicular to the axis. This can be useful in reducing the stimulation of resonant room modes at low frequencies. It also results in high frequencies being reflected from any rear wall, which can enhance the naturalness of the sound in typical listening rooms by creating more diffuse reverberation, though in theory it could detract from stereo localization. For this reason dipole speakers are often used as surround channel speakers, where a diffuse sound is desired to create ambience.

A dipole speaker works by creating air movement (as sound pressure waves) directly from the front and back surfaces of the driver, rather than by impedance matching one or both outputs to the air. As a result, diaphragm motion is constrained primarily by the driver's restoring force (e.g., diaphragm suspension) and not by acoustic loading from an enclosure. This implies that cone motion will be larger at the same output level than in a more usual enclosure, and that power handling will be accordingly limited. Especially at lower frequencies, dipole drivers tend to be large and flat, and necessarily open at both front and back. Common examples include electrostatic or ribbon drivers, though a conventional cone driver mounted in an open baffle also works as a dipole loudspeaker. All of these variations are characterised by a "figure-of-eight" radiation pattern in which the loudness falls towards the sides of the enclosure where interference between front and back waves is maximized. Sometimes the enclosure is modified into an "H-frame" with the driver located on a wall dividing two open compartments. Such enclosures require some control over the radiated sound from the rear of the enclosure to achieve the desired response. This is usually done by mounting two drivers, one over the other, in a push-pull configuration.
 
I have one system set up with Maggies and love them.

I have another system set up with 901's and love them.

I dont want to sound like a ass but I do have the money to spend on other speakers so money has nothing to do with this for me.

I like what I like. Thats the end all be all for ME.

I dont think bose deserves all the bad they get.
There are other speakers that do the same thing.
Maggies for one send sound out the back as well and are best set away from walls and if you have the room they should be set out in the room,As well as the 901's.

I think Def Tech also has some speakers that have rear facing speakers as well and quite a few others that I have seen surfing the net. But for some reason Bose gets all the flac for it.

I guess the bottom line for me is if you like something thats the best one for you.

Good luck on your quest. And enjoy along the way.:music:
 
I'm not sure if this is clear or not.

Bipolar speakers produce sound from the front and rear. The rear wave is in phase with the front wave. That is, both sides push simultaneously.

Dipolar speakers also produce sound from the front and rear. However the rear wave is out of phase with the front. That is, when the front pushes the back pulls.

All panels and open baffle speakers are dipolar. Conventional speakers can be either bi or dipolar.
 
Jazzman, All that had to be said had been said. Your post and admittedly mine now are taking this thread way off topic, so I do write with some trepidation. Please note this is not a flame, I couch my comments for the purpose of balance and honesty, I offer the following.

Okay, so most of my life I have owned Bose 501's and 901's - The statement informs us what he has been listening to his music through..... - I think of Bose as being a live sound(all around stereo sound) and other speakers I've listen to over the years like JBL, Infinity, ADS I consider them to be studio speakers(with a small area of stereo sound) move out of that area and your only hearing one side or the other.........am I wrong thinking this way.

My Bose have the highs and the lows I get an all around the room no matter where I am sitting live stereo sound and like that.
- The statements tells us he likes the direct reflecting sound, a live or all around sound. That he has found traditional stereo speakers limiting "move out of that area" or the triangle apex and seeks clarification on his thinking/perspective by writing "....am I wrong thinking this way." Direct reflecting speaker principles vs tradition speaker configurations

I'm thinking about getting some studio monitor type of speakers just wanted to hear everyones thoughts on the subject. - Presents a dilemma, I would like to consider monitors, but I have concerns. First concern, will monitors fill a room/house with music. Second concern, I am I going to be trapped in the sweet spot to enjoy the music. Final issue, make some recommendations given the above considerations.

Knowledge and referral is the request, not opinion on his existing speakers.


Thanks again, Mike.

Well then why are you posting here? The OP didn't ask for any advice and he wasn't trying to get anyone to justify his choice. And are we supposed to be impressed with your tube driven electrostatics? I don't want to start any acrimony here, but why would somebody put down Bose, JBL, and Klipcsh, then turn right around and say "like what you like"?

Harsh but accurate.

One more thing I would like to clear up I'm not looking for justification for liking Bose and by no means was I putting down any of the speakers I mentioned in the original post and when I asked if I was wrong to think that way that was a serious question if I've got it all wrong then teach me something I don't know. Hell, I'm open minded and I'm always willing to learn new things I'm 49 and by no means am I stuck in my ways. I'm sure if I had the money I would have a top of the line system but that's just not something I can afford right now and maybe never will.

If you would like to post what speakers your currently using and what you like most about them cool I would love to hear what you have.

Take it Easy, Mike.

Provides clarification - no this is not about my 901's. I want to know about monitors (paraphrase).

He asked, someone answered. That is what I got out of the post, Joe said if you like 'em, like 'em regardless of what others say.

I don't see any thread-shixxing here.

Joe is not accused of thread-shixxting. If the thread had been about, "review 901's" Joe's comment would have been within context and appropriate. In this thread Joe's comments were out of context. Your defence of Joe is misplaced, while you highlighted sections of Joe's initial post to support your defence you did not highlight the offending statement

"I've never heard any Bose speaker (or product) that I thought was worth spending any time with or any money for. - Purpose and value to the OP? It was disparaging and un-necessary - Of course there are other manufacturers that make speakers that IMO are almost as bad. Klipsch being the one that comes to mind first. Most JBLs are for me a close second to Klipsch. - Why write this - But then, I use tube driven electrostatics, am old, set in my ways and don't really care what people think of my choices. - Closes with a passive aggressive statement.

At being challenged by 'Beans' and 'bryblob', Joe fails to reflect on his statements or seeks to understand, but rather refutes/justifies any wrong doing;

"I believe I'm allowed to say I don't like something, just as you are. Furthermore, I'm not asking for justification of my choices. You just zeroed in on what you think was a put down. If you own one of more of the speakers I don't like that's your business. I've heard most of them and I'm allowed not to like them."

"Nowhere in my post is there any put down of anyone's choices. My post is about having the confidence to be secure in your own choices. I'm sorry you took it the wrong way."

The OP did not seek or want a critic of his 901's, the OP is confident in his choice, he made that point abundantly clear. There is no doubt reading Joe's posts it was All Audio & lots of Attitude. I know its not my place to say this, but many threads unravel because of a innocuous word or product, as a newb it does sometimes read as churlish and wreaks of a group think mentaility. There is propensity to pounce like a well fed cat on a mouse for pleasure without empathy or consideration.

Then Joe throws out a challenge;

"All I'm saying is that he does, it's OK with me but I don't. Are the PC police going to tell me I'm not allowed to say so?

Are you only allowed to post if you like Bose speakers?"
Again failing to reflect Joe has missed the point of this thread, it is not about Bose or 901's. It is about a listening experience and impressions of monitors and their sound delivery.

Rightly or wrongly I put forward my take on the situation with the aim to get the thread back on track. I hope I was respectful to Joe and also to you. This thread is about monitors. It is not about Bose or 901's.

Again, the criticism of Joe is about context. We now have another threat about 901's. Joe's, your and now mine have added nothing to the OP.

Both your, Joe's posts directly above and hopefully my earlier posts will help Mike build knowledge and provide him opportunities for researching his choices.

Hope there are no hard feelings, that is not my intention. :yes:
 
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I agree with the suggestion that a dipole might be a good alternative for anyone who professes a love of "the Bose sound".
I too, have some reservations about specific qualities with the Bose speakers I've heard (901s in particular), but they are mostly of a tonal, or voicing nature. The "open" reflective sound they have... THAT I do like!

I find panel dipole speakers, whether planar magnetics (like Magnepan, or ET), electrostatic (like Quad, Acoustat, ML etc.), ribbon (Apogee, Bohlender, etc.), or even the odd "other" types, like Musetex Meliors, & BESs, all give that special "reflective" open, sound that I like from Bose, but most (maybe not the BESs) also sound more tonally correct to me.

Without putting words in Joe's mouth, I suspect he & I may be of the same thoughts in this regard.

If it's your Bose's "sound all around" qualities that are most beloved however, and you're looking to possibly improve the character of the sound in your next speakers, you might listen to an wide dispersion, or even omnidirectional speaker. Ohm Walsh designs, for example, are great at giving you a really wide listening area, and again, I think they are a bit more musically accurate than 901s.

I don't want to come off as a "Bose basher", I actually think they do sound pretty good, and understand why they are so well liked... they just don't really "do it" for me. Your post did ask for feedback on your Bose however, if only in a round-a-bout way.

Alluding to how you'd like to try something else, but really enjoy your current Bose 901s, the only reasonable way of offering constructive suggestions is to reflect on what you currently use, and pick out what it is you like, and dislike about those speakers.
 
I'm not sure if this is clear or not.

Bipolar speakers produce sound from the front and rear. The rear wave is in phase with the front wave. That is, both sides push simultaneously.

Dipolar speakers also produce sound from the front and rear. However the rear wave is out of phase with the front. That is, when the front pushes the back pulls.

All panels and open baffle speakers are dipolar. Conventional speakers can be either bi or dipolar.

I've seen this described a few ways (and I have Magnepans) but if the Mylar 'pushes' producing a wave in front, does it not 'pull' in the back? Therefore the front and back waves are 180 degrees out of phase ( ignoring that the back wave eventually hits a wall and reflects back )

As far as 901s ( which I also have) where they differ from regular bipoles is that the amplitude of the sound emanating from the single front driver is much less than that emanating from the back 8 drivers.
 
I've seen this described a few ways (and I have Magnepans) but if the Mylar 'pushes' producing a wave in front, does it not 'pull' in the back? Therefore the front and back waves are 180 degrees out of phase ( ignoring that the back wave eventually hits a wall and reflects back )

Yes, that is correct... and why your Maggies (like esl & ribbon panels) are Dipoles, rather than Bipoles. AFAIK the only bipolar panel speakers are of the "soundboard" type, such as BES's "geostatics", SUMO's Aria, or Meitner's Meliors. Even those barely qualify as bipoles, though they do create a very similar radiation pattern.

Bipoles need to radiate both front & back in phase, and that requires either opposing drivers, or a pulsing panel, sphere, or tube... MBL, Mirage, etc.
 
You are welcome to like your Bose speakers. You're kind of new here. I wonder if you realize how much vitriol the Bose vs. any other speaker argument brings out.

That certainly doesn't make his opinion wrong, or your's right. Sounds like speakers racism.
 
You are welcome to like your Bose speakers. You're kind of new here. I wonder if you realize how much vitriol the Bose vs. any other speaker argument brings out. There is more controversy surrounding any Bose product than any product made by any other manufacturer.:scratch2:

FWIW: I've never heard any Bose speaker (or product) that I thought was worth spending any time with or any money for. Of course there are other manufacturers that make speakers that IMO are almost as bad. Klipsch being the one that comes to mind first. Most JBLs are for me a close second to Klipsch. But then, I use tube driven electrostatics, am old, set in my ways and don't really care what people think of my choices.:D

My advice is, like what you like and don't try to have others help you justify your choices.:smoke:

The name of the thread is "Diehard Bose Head" .
 
The name of the thread is "Diehard Bose Head" .

As I said if you like them, "That's your opinion and business.". I don't and that's my opinion. He was asking about alternatives that he called 'Studio speaker". According to the way his post was phrased I took that to mean conventional box type speakers based mostly on the radiation patterns.

Bose is the only manufacturer I'm aware of that makes speakers based on the Direct Reflecting principle and patent.
 
That certainly doesn't make his opinion wrong, or your's right. Sounds like speakers racism.

"speakers racism" :lmao::wtf:

Seriously, man? Totally unnecessary and not the slightest bit helpful to the OP or this forum.

- Michael
 
It's called thread crapping Joe . He says he is a "Diehard Bose Fan" and you gave your negative response . Your opinion is fine , just not in this thread . Either you get it or you don't .

Have a great day .
 
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