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Do you use loudness?

Do you use loudness modifier?

  • Definetly yes!

  • Hell no!

  • It depends...


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Depends. If you just want to play, PartsExpress sells a few decent powered subwoofers that are quite reasonably priced. They're more for "boom & thunder" home theatre use, but if dialed in judiciously (lowest possible crossover and sound level) they can actually augment. Room acoustics can be a large factor in success with very low frequency sound reproduction, though.

http://www.parts-express.com/cat/powered-subwoofers/95

I've heard about this Dayton Audio subs before, can you further explain what you mean with the "...if dialed in judiciously (lowest possible crossover and sound level) they can actually augment."?

Or... forget about it, I've just simulated the purchase of the 15" version and...

Product Total: $198.00
Estimated Shipping: $170.15

Sometimes I hate that I don't live in the USA... sure I know this is still an awesome price-quality ratio for 15" Home Theater sub but I did not want to spend that much...
 
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It's best to blend the sub with the mains. Set the sub crossover, near the natural roll off point of the stereo speakers. Don't over-lap the frequencies too much, as that can cause bass boom. Play some test tones to help with this, especially sweep tones. Tons on the web that can be streamed. Then, don't set the sub level too loud. Slowly adjust it's volume knob, to where the sub is just heard at the listening position. Not too loud, to where you want to scare the neighbors. A subtle level is key. Once you reach that point, play some well recorded acoustic music. Dial the sub in more if needed. Then when you're happy with the sub's performance, turn it off mid song. Did you hear the sound collapse? Loose ambiance? That's good, as that's how it should be. Again, the sub should be a subtle addition, that shouldn't draw attention.

Also, experiment with sub placement first. If set at a good crossover point, it doesn't have to be next to the mains. It should blend well if set up properly. Use the old tried-and-true trick of setting the sub at the listening position. Then walk around the room as the music plays. Is there on spot in the room, where you like the subs performance best? If so, put the sub there. It should then sound the same in the listening chair. Now it's time to tweak the crossover point and levels, as I mentioned above.

Good luck!
 
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@StimpyWan thank you for your patience! Really! I gotta get me a sub and try those steps out, definitely!

@Longaevus I hope someone in Portugal or the EU will have a decent deal on a Sub. I agree 100% with @StimpyWan 's setup process, I did my Pioneer sub that way and it does impact the sound if I turn it off.

Well there are lots of second hand market for subs in Portugal and the EU but they are usually B&W's, KEF's, Energy's, Polk Audio's and the likes and most of them fall in one of the following categories:
  • too expensive for me (usually these are B&W's);
  • absence of reviews making me feel they are not a popular product (all brands suffer from this);
  • negative reviews (KEF's seem to suck big time!);
I gotta try to source a Dayton, preferably the 15 incher, they get raving reviews, should be good enough for me...
 
Hey Sieb, We have a few components in common. I have a ReVox B795 from around 1985, a ReVox A77mk4 from 1978 and a ReVox B77 from 1979.

I rarely use the loudness contour. Even at reasonably low volume levels (65-75) dB(c) from my listening position I'm very pleased with the balance my system reproduces.
Hi Bugler, hope you enjoy your Revox equipment as much as I do. When I was younger I could not afford the Revox gear, but now in Europe at least, Revox is at the top of the list for many people looking for high quality vintage components. I have some experience in repairing electronics and the Revox equipment can be brought to its original specs if you spend the time and effort and do a lot of research. Most spare parts are still widely available. I spend many evenings fixing the B795 I bought second hand in 1983. There was a problem on the motordrive PCB that took me very long to find. Someone had apparently repaired the unit before me and put one diode in the wrong way around. It worked for a couple of years, then broke down and I stored it for 25 years. When I retired (3 years ago) I decided to have a go at repairing this TT and after a lot of searching I managed to get it working again perfectly. The A77 mk1 I bought in 1983 also and it is now fully restored (a lot of work). After that success I decided to look for a B77 (the recorder you always dreamed about) and found one practically for free, it is also fully restored (much easier to work on than the A77). I then found a broken B750 MkII amp. It did not work at all just because of a bad contact in the voltage selector. Nothing else wrong, I have also fully restored this amp, it sounds absolutely great. To complete my system I found a B226 CD player (the best CD player ever made, Philips CDM1 mechanism, glass laser lens, TDA1541 DAC) at a reasonable price in Switzerland (on Ebay).

There are many forums with an incredible amount of information about Revox equipment but in most cases they are in German.
http://www.revoxforum.de/
http://www.analogfan.de/

Enjoy your Revox machines!
 
@StimpyWan thank you for your patience! Really! I gotta get me a sub and try those steps out, definitely!

You're welcome. But, I can't take any credit. Just passing on from years of (in)experience, and what I've read and learned from others. Trial and error is fun too. Emphasis on error!

I have a 10" Dayton sub, and it's better than expected, considering what I paid for it. Also, my AR90's have very good bass on their on. Though, if I want deep bass, I turn on my M&K V3B 12" sub. It is definitely a sub, and not a woofer in a separate box.

Good luck.
 
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Needing boast, or subs is really just an indicator of your speakers shortcomings of being unable to either reproduce the lower frequency ranges within an adequate level compared with the rest of the dynamic range, or some people prefer exaggerated levels within certain frequencies. Honestly I think its probably a combination of both. Many of the speakers I use have better specs than most subs, not that it matters.
 
You could pick up a small used yamaha sub for less than $100 and set it up as above. Tannoy makes a few nice subs too, likely available in Portugal.
 
None of my receivers [ two Insignias, one Sherwood, one Pioneer (AVR), and one Yamaha (AVR) ] or my integrated amp has a loudness control. Our Sony shelf system receivers all have DSGX that is very similar to a loudness, so that gets used sometimes. Peace and goodwill.
 
I do use it at low levels with my B&O system, but turn it off if I listen to that system at higher volumes.

My Mac 4100 has an adjustable loudness that, unlike "contour" controls does not affect the volume. I use that quite a bit. Only the Bozaks need it disabled at low volumes. My Maggies love it set almost full on.
 
No loudness or tone controls on my system, however the tonal balance seems to remain the same regardless of volume position. Throwing a loudness circuit at it and it would just muddy things up and probably have that annoying "tiss-boom" presentation...even at low volume.

Years ago I had a 40 wpc Denon receiver with variable loudness running Paradigm 7se's and I needed to use it a little bit to get the tonal balance I liked, maybe a 20% rotation of the dial from the flat position.
 
I like the loudness mode because I listen to mostly classic rock, and to be kind to my wife, I rarely crank it up where I would like it. I only do that when she is out of the house. So listening to classic rock at lower levels, it really sounds better with the loudness on. When I get a chance to crank it up, the loudness is off.
 
Some times I do, sometimes I don't. I have a couple systems in a couple rooms, and I have more than a couple recordings. Some systems do not have the capability, and I know what recording to play on those systems. Some recordings and some rooms and some systems I use the Loudness control to tailor the sound (eek he said "tailor the sound") to make ME smile. So sometimes I stick my nose in the air and act the purist, and other times I don't. It's MY music and I'll Knob-Turn and Button-Push if I want to. We all should do the same. :blah:
Amen Brother !! :thumbsup:
 
Zombie thread resurrection...

I once left the loudness button engaged all the time (on gear that has it), but can no longer stand the bloated bass under normal listening conditions. I occasionally still. use it when listening at lower levels.
 
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