Dual CS 5000

[BrocLuno]

It's a keeper This is one that should stay in your permanent collection. The cost and frustration of bettering this table are quite high. The issue is finding just the right synergy between cartridge/stylus/phono section.

I too agree with being on the look-out for an OM Super and STY20 combo. Even if it turns out not to be your cup of tea, it's still a memorable experience. If you can get it to balance w/o the head weight, you will experience one of the lightest arm/cartridge combos you can get at regular human prices

 

[midfi]

Nice one. But I'd suggest to put an ATS12S on that AT body.

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

yup, I got one and it totally woke the cart up! not to bright in the upper ranges either...

 

[Steelman]

yup, I got one and it totally woke the cart up! not to bright in the upper ranges either...

I have one on the way Can't wait to hear what all the experts are raving about

 

[visman]

I've had Ortofon OM-20 and Shure V-15 V and V15-VST (the latest greatest) on my CS-5000 and I preferred the Shure setups.

It's subjective for sure - but man those Shure cartridges are special.

I'm running both Shures with JICO SAS stylus - at some point you might want to give this setup a try.

 

[Steelman]

I have a Shure M91ED on my Technics SL-1200 MKII that I was thinking about trying on the CS 5000. Maybe over the weekend...

 

[Bigerik]

I've had Ortofon OM-20 and Shure V-15 V and V15-VST (the latest greatest) on my CS-5000 and I preferred the Shure setups.

It's subjective for sure - but man those Shure cartridges are special.

I'm running both Shures with JICO SAS stylus - at some point you might want to give this setup a try.

Different price points there. The Shure is more price comparable to the OM30 or 40. Either if those is vastly more capable than the 20. Again, you will not find a better match for the 5000's arm, because it was designed for the OM series.

 

[Steelman]

Different price points there. The Shure is more price comparable to the OM30 or 40. Either if those is vastly more capable than the 20. Again, you will not find a better match for the 5000's arm, because it was designed for the OM series.

I may have a lead on a OM body and will look into some 20 or 30 styli for just the reasons you mentioned...It was designed for it.

Thanks for all your input...helped alot to have someone who has owned and spent some time with the CS and did some comparisons :thmbsp:

 

[Bigerik]

Actually, I just realized I have owned 4 of these beasts over the years. 3 in walnut and 1 in black.

Always thought I was getting something better, but I still keep going back to these.

 

[midfi]

Actually, I just realized I have owned 4 of these beasts over the years. 3 in walnut and 1 in black.

Always thought I was getting something better, but I still keep going back to these.

you sound like my brother, he done the same thing. Sold the one he bought new while stationed in Germany (STOOPID!!!!) and bought a Pioneer something or another (not bashing Pioneer's). Sold it and bought another 5000 and sold it and bought a late model Garrard and sold it and bought another... drum roll please... DUAL 5000. I love my bro but he's a glutton for punishment. He says he's done throwing away monies and is going to stick with it.....


for now!

 

[Steelman]

A very good friend sent me a package that I received today...

-ATS12S Shibata stylus for my AT4000 cart
-"T" turntable bubble level
-Ortofon OM series body with a 5e stylus on it
-AT112EP cart with a brand new AT stylus

All I can say is the AT4000 with the Shibata sends the 4000 to a much higher level. Clean, crisp and clear highs, smooth and very well anchored mids and clean, tight bass. One of the most audible changes in any deck I have ever experienced. Dialed it in using the factory alignment gauge, set the tracking and tone arm at 1.25....just amazing

 

[MelodyMaster]

I had three or four of those tables over the years. They are an awesome table, and I think terribly underrated around these parts.

Had a chat a few months back with the old importer and service shop for these. According to him, they were about the most reliable table in the dual line. They just never went bad. Aside from that, they were a great sounding table. Dual made tons of them. So many that they literally wore out the tooling.

The guy had one himself, and had an Ortofon kontrapunkt mounted on it . Apparently it sounded just great!

Actually, the big servo voltage-store capacitor becomes weak over time. The symptoms are longer lock times and slight speed instability.

 

[lini]

(...) All I can say is the AT4000 with the Shibata sends the 4000 to a much higher level. (...) ....just amazing

Nice to hear (well, to read, that is...) you're enjoying it. Not quite unexpected, though...

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

P.S.: Did you get a nude exemplar? It's comparatively easy to spot, as the nude diamond sports a square shank...

 

[convivialist]

Stunning table - CS5000

I saw my first CS 5000 at a wonderful McIntosh dealer in Western New York (Stereo Chamber) a few years ago. I was immediately smitten. Eventually, I found a CS 5000 and have never looked back. I hope you enjoy it as much as I have. I believe you are right that the table would sound great with a wide array of cartridges - wish I could hear yours and visa versa. It is beautiful engineering. We are fortunate folks. Enjoy!

 

[powerlight]

That's interesting that you boxed up your Technics 1200 mkII for the CS 5000. I had both of them in front of me recently and had to choose which one to buy! At a third of the price, the 1200 won out.

 

[henkuk]

I bought a CS5000 last year after trying to get a nice second table in the office. After frustration with a very capable but very unreliable Revox, a very problematic Kenwood and a lowly Pioneer I bought this, plugged it in and never looked back.

Simply, reliable and great sound. Mine has an Ortofon 510MkII but I am considering another cart, maybe a Goldring 1012GX...

 

[MelodyMaster]

That's interesting that you boxed up your Technics 1200 mkII for the CS 5000. I had both of them in front of me recently and had to choose which one to buy! At a third of the price, the 1200 won out.

Most 1200s dont have 78rpm, on the other hand the CS5000 doesn't have pitch control, plus it has that waiting time to get up to speed and let down the arm. I find that I use my CS5000 for LPs, the Thorens TD-124 for 78s and 45s with a V15MkIII on a Saunders stylus, and the 1200 with 78 truncated stylus for field trips, playing my collectors' records at jazz meetings. It's the most portable turntable.

Using the same Shure V15MkV, The Technics 1200 sounds forward, ok, it does the job.... ; the CS5000 sounds a bit thin but very natural and transparent, that's probably the quality listeners like about the Dual..

 

[Steelman]

Nice to hear (well, to read, that is...) you're enjoying it. Not quite unexpected, though...

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

P.S.: Did you get a nude exemplar? It's comparatively easy to spot, as the nude diamond sports a square shank...

:thmbsp: Thanks for all your input

I will check the shank tomorrow and let you know :scratch2:

 

[Steelman]

I saw my first CS 5000 at a wonderful McIntosh dealer in Western New York (Stereo Chamber is the dealer's name) a few years ago. I was immediately smitten. The CS5000 at the Mac dealer was coupled with some 10 year old Mac gear (at 10 years old, Mac is just broken in and 90 years to go I guess). That began my quest to find a CS 5000 of my own. Eventually, I found a CS 5000 and have never looked back. I hope you enjoy it as much as I have. My cartridge is the ortofon MC20 super, but I believe you are right that the table would sound great with a wide array of cartridges - wish I could hear yours and visa versa. Anyway, my wife likes this TT too. Thus, it seems to have a high WAF in addition to its beautiful engineering. My TT is playing Isaac Stern right now. We are fortunate folks. Enjoy!

I feel very fortunate to own and compare two very sought after turntables. I realize many would say I am crazy for boxing up the 1200 but, to me...the CS 5000 is the one.

 

[Steelman]

That's interesting that you boxed up your Technics 1200 mkII for the CS 5000. I had both of them in front of me recently and had to choose which one to buy! At a third of the price, the 1200 won out.

Couldn't pass this one up...made a deal, made a new friend and I think we are both happy...win win to me

 

[Steelman]

I bought a CS5000 last year after trying to get a nice second table in the office. After frustration with a very capable but very unreliable Revox, a very problematic Kenwood and a lowly Pioneer I bought this, plugged it in and never looked back.

Simply, reliable and great sound. Mine has an Ortofon 510MkII but I am considering another cart, maybe a Goldring 1012GX...

Loving this one so far...will take its place in my main rig this weekend...pics to follow.