Epi / genisis speaker help

[Audi0]

Just picked these up for $40. Got a dead tweeter. Does anybody know if other genisis epi tweeters are the same? Currently hunting model #.

 

[baco99]

Nice find! Take your time and get the right tweeter for those.

 

[Andyman]

I believe that is the same as the original Masonite round tweeter, but the square faceplate is the issue. Have you checked for a broken lead on the left side where he tape looks lifted?

 

[kfa888]

That's a great deal and well worth rebuilding them. What model number are those? I have some just like these Genesis 3's (these are not mine) and flat love them. One of my favorite speakers.

 

[Audi0]

Just popped the tweeter in two to check the coil. It is black. Definitely roasted. Also all tone controls are non functional. Searching for the issue.

I'm not sure of the model. I seen some tweeters on ebay. However are all square plate tweeters the same?

 

[Audi0]

Trying to figure it out.

I think these are model 410

 

[RTally]

Human Speakers is the place to go. Not only can you find info on the speakers, you can buy new parts or get rebuilds.

https://www.humanspeakers.com/genesis/gen410.htm

 

[swechsler]

I believe that is the same as the original Masonite round tweeter, but the square faceplate is the issue.

EPI/Epicure used round faceplates and Genesis used square ones. They should be pretty similar otherwise, but there are enough of them on the used market (plus, of course, Human Speakers as mentioned above) that there's no reason not to do it right.

 

[Audi0]

Ok I found the tweeter issue. It was the leads after all where they press through the faceplate.
Dumped some lead on both as they both seemed to have issues in that spot. There alive. I guess the black coil was old ferro fuild. Still have the none responsive controls. Which is weird. I read omage changing on the meter when flicking it. Something is off. Going to dig into it tomorrow. Maybe it's a subtle change so I can't pick it up? Anyways making that parts list.

 

[Audi0]

Having an issue finding a happy medium with the foam kits on the midrange. Going to contact human speakers tomorrow. See if he has kit that he can spare or knows what to use.

 

[vintagerocks]

You might want to replace the iffy tweeter with the same version (plastic-faced). You could take measurements of the decayed surrounds on the midranges and look on eBay for replacement foam surrounds. Midranges are much easier to refoam than woofers. Odds are that you will probably find matching ones from China which means you'll have to wait up to 6 weeks to get them. Hu sells replacements for $40 each, which is not bad since you got a great deal on the speakers. Either way, you will like the speakers once you get them up and running!

 

[Audi0]

Ok here's the issue. The replacements have a treated cloth surround (pleated?) not foam. Would they even sound the same?


Think I found the correct foam but its going to take awhile to get here.

 

[baco99]

I would wait for the foam.

 

[Audi0]

Strange choice though for the authentic replacement to be pleated cloth from human speakers. You think they would try and keep it foam.

 

[kfa888]

Looks exactly like a Bose 901 driver.

BTW mine have the Philips mid driver in them stock.

 

[Audi0]

I have the speakers in the light and I can't believe I didn't notice this before. Looks like cracking in the rubber. Going to need new woofers and passive. Human speakers any good?

 

[baco99]

I have the speakers in the light and I can't believe I didn't notice this before. Looks like cracking in the rubber. Going to need new woofers and passive. Human speakers any good?

those are not cracking in a place where you need to be concerned. smear some rubber cement over the cracks and leave them alone.

also, the rubber can be replaced with foam. no need for new drivers if those are working.

 

[baco99]

Also, for what it's worth, I just finished recapping and refoaming a set of Genesis II. Plugged them into a recently serviced Sansui 5000A and the combo sounds delicious. Great speakers all around.

 

[anytune]

What model number are those?View attachment 2087339

If that's a 10-inch driver with a 10-inch passive, then those are Genesis 410s. Great sounding speakers and very hard to find.

 

[Audi0]

I could use something to seal it. However that's really just slowing down the problem. Just going to keep cruising rebuilding the crossover. Using some modern German caps. The old ones don't test to bad. The grey ones were out of spec by like 15%