explain what a clamp or weight does please

[barkerd]

exactly : that comment was meant for someone else : and you are right : you either hear the difference or you don't .....but the difference is objectively there or not ...its not you "believe" you hear a difference. .......difference being : for most humble beings : $100-200 is a chunk of change out of the audio budget that could be put to better use if the claimed benefits are mostly placebo....... if I was shown ANY evidence that these things make a difference I might be more willing to shell the dough ......someone mentioned advertisements that once showed the difference.....I would definitely be interested in seeing them .....if it makes an audible difference I would definitley shell the dough .....but at this point, for the casual observer, there is no difference between the claims being made and the claims of some cable manufacturers ............I guess I am stubborn : but thus far, anything that is so obviously beneficial in audio has been measured , explained and shared .......if clamps are so beneficial SOMEBODY has to have some evidence somewhere .....and having said that , I don't doubt there is a measureable difference : but the difference also has to be humanly audible in a common listening set up ......ie signal to noise of 95db is measureable ....but it aint audible

 

[Pio1980]

I think that with less than a perfectly flat record the results measured or otherwise would be capricious to say the least. A center+rim dual clamping arrangement is at least necessary with the vacuum platter clamping the ideal approach. Here differences should be repeably audibly and measurably verifiable with the consistency of the process.

 

[marc mc]

barkerd, $100-$200? Cripes I showed you how to get one for a couple of coffees and some manners.

The thing to do is first try one like I described and see if they work on your TT (what do you use?) and then go for a more expensive one.

marc mc

 

[marc mc]

At that point, why would you worry about ultimate fidelity? That's not the point of that system. We're talking very small differences in sound for the most part.

John, some of us take our garage systems very serious :thmbsp:

Whats not to like about 15ft angled ceilings, concrete floors and natural diffusors everywhere. In the good weather my indoor rigs collect dust. It's all active systems and DIY in the garage baby. And this year I have big plans for some DW ESL's

marc mc

 

[gusten]

barkerd
I am a firm believer in measuring, I would go as far as saying I would find it very difficult to designing or improving anything without measuring. Measurements and, in this case, listening must go hand in hand.
The reason is of course that finding what should be altered, or done differently, is really a difficult task without basic measurements, if at all possible.

So what I´am saying is that the measuring must be done on the set up one has, and is to a large extent only valid for that.
gusten

 

[Pio1980]

GEEZ Mark! Are those Dayton Wright XG-8 MK something?

 

[marc mc]

GEEZ Mark! Are those Dayton Wright XG-8 MK something?

They are the XG-8 MK3's. :thmbsp:

Mike Wright is a good friend of mine and I also have a pair of his
LCM-1a's
XAM-4's
Watson Lab 10's
Prototype Sub's (never in production)

marc mc

 

[JohnVF]

John, some of us take our garage systems very serious :thmbsp:

I'm just jealous...my garage is the parking deck to the Hyatt Regency next door to my apartment skyrise. The acoustics are horrendous, what with the valets screaming and tourists wondering how to get to the Sears Tower. :thmbsp:

 

[KeninDC]

Not to mention the 50 I bought at junk stores and tested before giving away to kids.

It took 50 to figure this out? You are either exaggerating to make a point or a real slow learner.

Ken

BTW - nice garage set-up. It's warm here and I'm about to mount some old Radio Shack Minimis 7 speakers on the garage wall and am feeling a bit green with envy.

 

[marc mc]

It took 50 to figure this out? You are either exaggerating to make a point or a real slow learner.

Ken

Nope no exaggeration at all. I did not ever intend on keeping any of them. I just fired them up and made sure they worked. Then gave them away whenever someone wanted one. About 3 or 4 years ago I stopped finding them because people started grabbing them again. But for a long time I would grab Pioneers, Techics, Duals and the like for usually $5-$10

I have a friend that found an Oracle Paris at a Sally Anne around 1995, no joke.

marc mc

 

[Pio1980]

They are the XG-8 MK3's. :thmbsp:

Mike Wright is a good friend of mine and I also have a pair of his
LCM-1a's
XAM-4's
Watson Lab 10's
Prototype Sub's (never in production)

marc mc

Not to hijack thread; I heard Mike's MK-III 'Gas Bags' driven by Counterpoint SA-4 all-DC coupled tube power amps at Julian's house in Atlanta in the early-mid '80s, incredibly transparent sound. Julian sold VPI and introduced me to record clamping, he sold me a Denon DP-55K with a Souther SLA-3 which I still have. Lou Souther sent me one of his "Clever Clamps" which I still use with the combo for all but inverse-dished records, it replaced the VPI weight.

 

[audiomagnate]

It seems there are a great many philosophies. McIntosh gives you a 12-pound acrylic platter to resist resonance, but then shows it with a mat and no clamp.

I thought you Photoshopped that pic before I went to Mac's website. That thing is hilarious, at least to me.

 

[eteller]

Want to experiment with a clamp cheap? Get a 1" long piece of fuel line and stick it on the spindle, as per 'Sansui Louie' it works and is cheap!