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FedEx Max Liability = $100 ???

sydsfloyd67 said:
G., So here's the TV Guide description if I follow: you were looking into an inappropriately low FedEx reimubrusment for a lost amp, and unknown to you, it had been purchased on ebay by someone else, and then actually resent to you for repair, and sitting in your incoming items? You then found out that it was resold on ebay from a local pawn shop to the current owner, who has since sent it to you ?
Well, I guess the straightforward thing is return it to the original owner from who it was stolen. No other options come to mind easily, and I'd not want to get tangled up with any of the other players (pawnbroker, cops, thief, etc.) -sf
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The gentleman in Omaha who brought it to me for a tweak or two paid $350+ship for it...I can't see him losing his money.

The original owner, Danamc, got a deal on a completely rebuilt Kenwood 700C preamp, courtesy of Your's Truly, parts being purchased with the piss-poor FedEx settlement that was sent. In the end, I'm the only one who lost out, as I gave Dana several days worth of labor on that rebuild to ease the loss, and of course I was not reimbured for that (and did not want to be, unless the 9100 showed up from FedEx, which never happened). Certainly you could say that Dana was out the pleasure of ever seeing or hearing the 9100, but as far as actual losses, the buck stopped with me.

The trail goes like this:

Dana bought the amp from a seller in CA in late July '04, and had it shipped directly to me. I did my thing with it, and shipped it to him around August 20, '04. It disappeared from the FedEx distribution center in Shawnee, KS (suburb of KC), and I filed a claim. Claim was 'settled' (ha!! :finger: ) about Sep. 25, '04. Meanwhile, the amp was sold to the pawn shop, and put up on eBay in October, and was sold October 22, '04 to the gentleman in Portland, OR. For some reason (lack of funds I believe), he turned around and sold it on eBay on May 13, '05 to the gentleman in Omaha. Some minor problems arose, and through word of mouth discovered that I do vintage repairs here in KC, and since he makes trips to KC from time to time, brought the unit down with him last week. I opened it yesterday to investigate the problems, and the rest is history.
 
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I don't think that waltzing into that pawn shop fishing for information is a wise next move. I suggest calling the Shawnee police.

good luck and pleeeaase keep us informed... better than TV.
 
This story is a crazy series of coincidences, I really hope it has a happy ending (from EW's and our point of view). We're all pulling for ya Glenn!!!
 
EchoWars said:
The gentleman in Omaha who brought it to me for a tweak or two paid $350+ship for it...I can't see him losing his money.

The original owner, Danamc, got a deal on a completely rebuilt Kenwood 700C preamp, courtesy of Your's Truly, parts being purchased with the piss-poor FedEx settlement that was sent. In the end, I'm the only one who lost out, as I gave Dana several days worth of labor on that rebuild to ease the loss, and of course I was not reimbured for that (and did not want to be, unless the 9100 showed up from FedEx, which never happened). Certainly you could say that Dana was out the pleasure of ever seeing or hearing the 9100, but as far as actual losses, the buck stopped with me.

The trail goes like this:

Dana bought the amp from a seller in CA in late July '04, and had it shipped directly to me. I did my thing with it, and shipped it to him around August 20, '04. It disappeared from the FedEx distribution center in Shawnee, KS (suburb of KC), and I filed a claim. Claim was 'settled' (ha!! :finger: ) about Sep. 25, '04. Meanwhile, the amp was sold to the pawn shop, and put up on eBay in October, and was sold October 22, '04 to the gentleman in Portland, OR. For some reason (lack of funds I believe), he turned around and sold it on eBay on May 13, '05 to the gentleman in Omaha. Some minor problems arose, and through word of mouth discovered that I do vintage repairs here in KC, and since he makes trips to KC from time to time, brought the unit down with him last week. I opened it yesterday to investigate the problems, and the rest is history.
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If, in the course of your investigation, you discover the individual who sold the stolen amp to the pawn shop WAS a FedEx employee, well, then, you've got more legal options to pursue from a civil standpoint. You will have FedEx by some extremely short hairs along with documented proof they have at least one employee stealing from their distribution center. FedEx's worst nightmare would be a national news story reporting a ring of FedEx employees at a major distibution center stealing insured packages and re-selling the stolen goods to local pawn shops. The FedEx spinmeisters and PR people would be working a lot of overtime to try and control the damage from this.

Now, if you are able to ascertain on your own that the individual who sold the amp to the pawnshop was in fact employed by FedEx, you actually have two options:

(1) You can report everything to the authorities; or

(2) You can float your story by several local media outlets and see if they have any interest in doing an investigative type expose before you go the authorities.

And if it was a FedEx employee who sold the amp to the pawn shop, it is unlikely he acted alone: It is likely there are at least several individuals involved in this theft because someone at the FedEx center has to defeat the security measure that in in place and this generally cannot be done by a single individual.

Good luck in your quest and I hope you prevail and nail the bastards. :cool:
 
Vinyl Rules! said:
If, in the course of your investigation, you discover the individual who sold the stolen amp to the pawn shop WAS a FedEx employee........
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VR, I don't think that has come up in the case of EchoWars' missing amp experience in this thread. (The shipper has plenty of known ongoing issues they can correct, which should be the focus here.) -sf
 
Just to play the devil's advocate here - is it possible that the shipping label was lost or damaged as to make it unreadable? If so, what does FedEx do with such merchandise? Sell it at auction perhaps? So maybe there's no thievin' going on. I'd still be calling the cops and perhaps running the story by the media as well.

And I thought the weird stuff only happened to me...
 
VintageNut said:
Just like a detective drama, aint it?
I'll be writing a screenplay about this. We'll have Tom Cruise play EW :D
I'm sure they look alike anyway. Katie Holmes will play the love interest that EW falls in love with when he visits the pawn shop. The thief will be played by someone from Audio Asylum, or maybe a retired FedEx driver. The hard boiled cop investigating the case will be played by one of our own, Grumpy, since he has the perfect dispositon for that role, and we need someone in the film like Grumpy who has actual audio experience to advise Tom Cruise, " Damnit, that aint how you hold a soldering iron, Tom!".
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Tom Cruise?! you gotta be kidding! :no:

Bruce Willis is the obvious choice! :yes:
 
Thumpy said:
Just to play the devil's advocate here - is it possible that the shipping label was lost or damaged as to make it unreadable? If so, what does FedEx do with such merchandise? Sell it at auction perhaps? So maybe there's no thievin' going on. I'd still be calling the cops and perhaps running the story by the media as well.

And I thought the weird stuff only happened to me...
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The 'labels' I use are generally a #10 envelope run through the 'puter printer with the addresses on them, which are then taped to the top of the box. Only way to come off is to cut it off. Been doing this for years just incase the tiny FedEx or UPS label comes off.

This whole deal may have come to an end. The pawn shop people were friendly, but they don't release names to the general public. I don't think they are in 'cahoots' with some theif at FexEx either. Although they could not give me any names, they did say that they would be more than happy to work with any law enforcement.

However...a detective here in Lee's Summit said that...in essence...I no longer have a vested interest (legally) in the case. The amp was paid for (regardless of the shitty amount) by FedEx, and the party at a 'loss' is now FedEx, and that they must be the ones to initiate any police investigation. Even though I did all the legwork.

So I'll talk with FedEx tomorrow and see if they'd like to pursue it. If not, I guess the buck stops here.
 
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Thumpy said:
Just to play the devil's advocate here - is it possible that the shipping label was lost or damaged as to make it unreadable? If so, what does FedEx do with such merchandise? Sell it at auction perhaps? So maybe there's no thievin' going on. I'd still be calling the cops and perhaps running the story by the media as well.

And I thought the weird stuff only happened to me...
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I wonder what happens if they recover the package after they pay the claim. I doubt they return it to you.

But what are the chances of it ending up in your local pawn shop?

Mojo
 
This Might Work For Your Next Expensive Shipment

I'm surprised no one has considered this before.

The next time you're going to ship something that has a higher-than-average probability of "disappearing," simply open it up before you pack it for shipment and duct tape in a LoJack tracking device next to the transformer, etc. Then close it back up and let the buyer know it's been LoJack'd so he can return the LoJack to you after he gets his merchandise.

When FedEx or whoever says your shipment is missing, call the police and report the theft. The police activate the LoJack device, which starts broadcasting, and maybe the unit is found, if you're lucky, in the thief's garage!

Or, better yet, simply label in big orange letters on the outside of the box "LOJACK ANTI-THEFT TRACKING DEVICE HIDDEN INSIDE THIS SHIPMENT." If I were a dishonest shipping company employee, I'd simply move on to another box to steal. :cool:
 
Vinyl Rules! said:
I'm surprised no one has considered this before.

The next time you're going to ship something that has a higher-than-average probability of "disappearing," simply open it up before you pack it for shipment and duct tape in a LoJack tracking device next to the transformer, etc. Then close it back up and let the buyer know it's been LoJack'd so he can return the LoJack to you after he gets his merchandise.

When FedEx or whoever says your shipment is missing, call the police and report the theft. The police activate the LoJack device, which starts broadcasting, and maybe the unit is found, if you're lucky, in the thief's garage!

Or, better yet, simply label in big orange letters on the outside of the box "LOJACK ANTI-THEFT TRACKING DEVICE HIDDEN INSIDE THIS SHIPMENT." If I were a dishonest shipping company employee, I'd simply move on to another box to steal. :cool:
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If I were a CLEVER dishonest shipping company employee, I would look for that label, steal the box, and remove the Lo-Jack from the box. Drop it in between boxes on the next outbound truck, headed anywhere. Your tracking device goes one way, I, with your $$$$ gear, go the other.

Maybe marking the box would be counter-productive. For that matter, I wouldn't want the item I stole to remain in the original box, anyway. That is where the evidence is. Ditch the box, stash the item.
 
Well, the way this would work out for me is Fed- x would now want the amp ! they paid for it. That would suck to loose the same amp twice.
 
rew15951 said:
Well, the way this would work out for me is Fed- x would now want the amp ! they paid for it. That would suck to loose the same amp twice.
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Wouldn’t they need it for evidence if they did decide to prosecute someone?
It’s very possible they will want to take it from you. That would really add insult to injury!

Mojo
 
If you reread my early post I suggested that Fed-X in settling the claim probably acquired the rights of the owner to the amp. As to whether Fed-X still has any rights to the amp will depend on state law as to BFP and if the current owner constitutes a BFP. Since you are holding the amp and have a reasonable belief that it is stolen property before you deliver it back you do need to check with counsel as to what to do with it. Under some state laws, delivering it to the wrong party may open you up to a criminal charge. I had suggested it previously but seeing how the thread has gone especially in the humerous content, I am strongly suggesting and very serious about your need to cover you *ss by getting the appropriate advice. States have laws related in fencing (and not around your house) and dealing in stolen property. Sort of a difficult position to be in but remember Fed-X has paid for the property and though we like to bash Fed-X simply substitute you name or you kid's and think - he paid for it and wonder why he should not have a right to it.
 
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