E2
Addicted Member
This is all I need period. And it's what I am looking for on the modern used market.
Have you seen Ebay? Would you pay $3000 - 4000 for a Sansui 9090db?
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This is all I need period. And it's what I am looking for on the modern used market.
Ebay to sell only for me, unless looking for parts or large speaker deals that are local p/u only...
On the buy side i shop:
Pawn shops
thrift stores
estate sales
local auctions
CL
There is no receiver id pay that kind of money for... Not a sx-1980, G9000, SA-1000 or 2500/2600......
On the buy side i shop:
Pawn shops
thrift stores
estate sales
local auctions
CL
There is no receiver id pay that kind of money for... Not a sx-1980, G9000, SA-1000 or 2500/2600......
I get what you're saying; but I think you're still looking at it from the standpoint of someone who's acquired a bit of (or considerably more) expertise. Speaking as someone who's *just* gone through purchasing their first classic piece of kit, my thinking was more like, "If I find one that works already, a receiver has everything I need to get started--and the particular one I like is really good, in my price range, and looks cool as f**k!" As a photographer, I've seen the same thought process in folks buying their first film camera: "This one has autofocus, and some automatic settings, which I'm used to from digital; let me get this one, and if I find I *like* using everything manually, then later I can get a Leica or a Nikon FM so I can shoot manual all the time."
I'm sure later, when I get more sophisticated and the itch for something "better" (if I do; I'm *real* happy with this SX-750 so far), I'll probably go the route of separates so I can put together the best system possible, and potentially be able to switch out bits of it when something nicer but still affordable comes along, because having done some research and listened to the wisdom of folks like you, I can definitely see the advantage of that.
Receivers look a lot prettier. The tuning dial is a huge draw. And they actually provide a source, whereas an amp needs a source. Receivers are also much more common than integrated amps.
AudioAvarice
Super Member
Ah, I think it's more of a cultural difference, Receivers don't seem as popular here in the UK, it's far easier to find a decent integrated. In my first system (around 2005) I used a Marantz PM7200, which served me well for years, then I got into 'vintage' equipment (brought an Akai AM-93 and couldn't believe how much better it sounded compared to my newer Marantz), brought a few more integrateds, before going fully separate. Still wouldn't mind hearing a Lentek integrated though.
I was given a Marantz 2238b by my brother a few years ago, which did look very pretty with the blue lights, and the gyroscopic tuner was a pleasure to use, I cleaned it up, replaced a few bulbs, lubed a few pots, and sold it on, and was supprised by how much it went for.
I think the late 70's/early 80's equipment has some of the best looks (materials, and general finish), and by far the best physical controls (knobs, switches, buttons etc). There's also some great gear from the mid 80's onward, but you pretty much have to go TOTL to get similar features of earlier equipment.
I was given a Marantz 2238b by my brother a few years ago, which did look very pretty with the blue lights, and the gyroscopic tuner was a pleasure to use, I cleaned it up, replaced a few bulbs, lubed a few pots, and sold it on, and was supprised by how much it went for.
I think the late 70's/early 80's equipment has some of the best looks (materials, and general finish), and by far the best physical controls (knobs, switches, buttons etc). There's also some great gear from the mid 80's onward, but you pretty much have to go TOTL to get similar features of earlier equipment.
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Adamo0926
Active Member
I was always a receiver guy. I still have 4 classic receivers....Yamaha CR-2020, Pioneer SX-850, Marantz 2252B and a Sansui Eight. All very nice sounding receivers.
But I have now gotten hooked on separates. As good as the receivers sound, they can't match my current separate setup which consists of a Hafler DH-220 amp and an
APT/Holman preamp. Currently driving 2 pairs of Original Large Advents that I have stacked 2/channel.
But I have now gotten hooked on separates. As good as the receivers sound, they can't match my current separate setup which consists of a Hafler DH-220 amp and an
APT/Holman preamp. Currently driving 2 pairs of Original Large Advents that I have stacked 2/channel.
David_NC
Super Member
My $100 is someone else's $.10. People pay $100K for a new Jaguar; does anyone think that they simply won't fork out a couple extra $1K's to get the receiver or amp they want? Perhaps they had that model in college and want to put together a system like they had back in the day. I'd never buy a 70's receiver for that much money, but plenty will. As long as it's being marketed honestly and accurately, what's the issue? The problem for me is whether or not I can afford to keep some of my stuff! With what an SX-1050 or G-9000db are selling for, I can buy a lot of really nice tube equipment. I'll likely keep the SX-1050, since I bought it in college as my step-up receiver (from my beginnings with an SX-780), and it provided good sounds for a LOT of parties. I have no real attachment to the big Sansui, so I may let that one go, eventually.
As for keeping people out of the hobby, there are plenty of 35-50 or 60 watt units available for what I consider cheap that sound really good. These smaller models are what many of us started out with, so what's the problem with newcomers doing the same.
As for keeping people out of the hobby, there are plenty of 35-50 or 60 watt units available for what I consider cheap that sound really good. These smaller models are what many of us started out with, so what's the problem with newcomers doing the same.
E2
Addicted Member
tnsilver
Stereo Puppy
Thank you! eBay asking prices are a combination of greed and recreational drugs. Unfortunately, they're often used as some kind of reference, when it suits those with the interest of doing so (sellers mostly).
Luckyorleans
Super Member
Thank you. Same on Amazon as well, where you will find some try outrageous prices that dwarf eBay optimists.
cb5300
Active Member
Why do you and so many others knock the sound quality old receivers? I currently own a Marantz 2500, a Pioneer SX-1980, a Sansui G-9000DB, (and I just bought a beautiful Sansui G-33000 from the original owner). I have all of these connected to Legacy Audio speakers, except for the Pioneer SX-1980 which is connected to a pair of Cerwin Vega 316-r's. In IMHO my receivers perform as well if not better than most separates that I've heard...I submit that if you have a receiver that has specs that are equal to separate's and if ALL other things (wire, speakers, placement, etc) are equal then performance should be equal or at least so close that I doubt that you can tell the difference.
I'm sure they sound great. But I have serious trouble believing it's anywhere near the best sound one can get for $8k.
Fair enough?
Obviously experiences differ. I had a 9090DB and it was clearly outperformed by the inexpensive Superphon Revelation preamp and Superphon amp that replaced it.
Not to say the the Sansui sounded bad per se, it's just that in my experience there is a lot of stuff that sounds better.
I agree that people paying these kinds of prices are not buying based upon performance; collectibility or nostalgia plays a big role.
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