I run a Pass amp in my main system. One of the reasons that I felt comfortable buying it, as it was a rare case where I couldn't audition something before buying it, is from posts I have read of his, and how he just seems like a nice, straightforward, no BS kinda guy.
I shouldn't do this, but, - why that gear cost so much
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I run a Pass amp in my main system. One of the reasons that I felt comfortable buying it, as it was a rare case where I couldn't audition something before buying it, is from posts I have read of his, and how he just seems like a nice, straightforward, no BS kinda guy.
frankbooth
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Screw you in what way?
How exactly were you blackballed from reviewers if you don't mind me asking?
About this hammering incident. So a reveiwer took your preamp, smashed it with a hammer, then sent it back to you?
Why would anyone do that, it makes no sense.
How exactly were you blackballed from reviewers if you don't mind me asking?
About this hammering incident. So a reveiwer took your preamp, smashed it with a hammer, then sent it back to you?
Why would anyone do that, it makes no sense.
Soundminded
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You'd think if there was such a thing as an "ideal" amplifier, preamplifier, speaker, cd player or whatever the best would converge on that performance and they'd sound more and more alike. The fact that they don't only demonstrates one thing; THESE GUYS WHO MAKE THIS STUFF DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EFF THEY'RE DOING. Don't mind me. I've only been surrounded by scientists and engineers and worked with them all my life. What would I know about it? Just ignore that. New and improved equipment is coming out every day. Get those charge cards and check books ready, you're going to need them for the rest of your audiophile lives. Happy hunting.
frankbooth
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So, we should listen to some guy on the internet who has;
"been surrounded by scientists and engineers and worked with them all my life."
but we shouldn't listen to scientists and engineers that actually work in the audio industry?
Facinating.
This thread has gone from the bizarre, to the ridiculous and back again.
"been surrounded by scientists and engineers and worked with them all my life."
but we shouldn't listen to scientists and engineers that actually work in the audio industry?
Facinating.
This thread has gone from the bizarre, to the ridiculous and back again.
So what you're saying is that every single engineer working in audio is colluding on one massive scam to rip everybody off. What, is there some secret lair where they meet, and laugh, and all roll in money? Because it seems to me that you are slandering a LOT of people. So everybody, from the dozens of engineers at Pioneer/TAD on down to some guy making small numbers of amps on his own, is working in full knowledge that they're not improving on anything, and is only in it to rip people off? ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE?
From the tone of your posts, I gather that you are also somebody burned by the industry. Could there not be an element of sour grapes going on?
BTW, the simple reason that amps aren't converging is that there is no one ideal amp, and not everybody is chasing the same interpretation of what is possible. This isn't live music, it never will be. That leaves room for personal preference, and some people like some things, and some people like others. So you have different companies, with different ideas of what is ideal, chasing their own version of it, and passionate people who agree with them, chasing that same version of what is possible, buying those products. That's it. Its not evil, its a hobby.
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Soundminded
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"Its not evil, its a hobby."
At the risk of repeating myself...for the people who make and sell this stuff it's a business.
I didn't say all of them are crooks. There's the possibility that many or even most of them are just clueless. So there is no definition of what the ideal audio amplifier is supposed to do, not even for an electrical engineer? Then how does he know one design is better than another? Because he likes it? Because it sells better? Because the old design isn't selling as well as it used to? What is the goal of the people in this industry? Easy one. The same goal as people in every industry. To make as much profit as they can. Why else bother? A lot of them are just jealous that Dr. Bose beat them in that department, in fact he beat all of them combined. And with products that they not only hate but aren't even audiophile grade products. I think it's pretty funny myself. BTW you still seem very angry.
I am angry. I'm angry that this hobby is filled with people who seem to only be involved to piss on it. To suck every last ounce of fun out of it. Arrogant people who think only they have the answer, and that anybody who has a different answer could only have arrived at it because they're either clueless, or a crook.
I'm angry because a bunch of people are doing things they enjoy, like using a SET amp, but they can't do so without getting pissed on by people such as yourself. Because it doesn't meet your criteria. It's not what you would do, and because of that, the people doing so are idiots.
You are the oil to water's fun. A poisonous leach on this hobby who seems to exist to just ruin any good time that somebody dares to have that isn't to your liking. And I'm angry that you're just one of many of these types of people who make this hobby into a chore, instead of something to take your mind off of the real chores.
I'm angry because a bunch of people are doing things they enjoy, like using a SET amp, but they can't do so without getting pissed on by people such as yourself. Because it doesn't meet your criteria. It's not what you would do, and because of that, the people doing so are idiots.
You are the oil to water's fun. A poisonous leach on this hobby who seems to exist to just ruin any good time that somebody dares to have that isn't to your liking. And I'm angry that you're just one of many of these types of people who make this hobby into a chore, instead of something to take your mind off of the real chores.
estreeter
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Sony have one or two scientists and engineers on the payroll, yet their 'audiophile approved' speakers still come in at 20K USD.
http://www.stereophile.com/content/sony-ss-ar2-loudspeaker
As good as these speakers may be, I wonder how many audiophiles will buy them over a boutique brand ? Just sayin'.
Glen B
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As did I as well.
Soundminded
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If I make you so angry why do you continue to read my postings? You seem like the type who insists that the whole world has to agree with what you say. You were born in the wrong century. You'd have been great during the Inquisition.
sebrof
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As far as I'm concerned, absolutely nothing. People have asked you specific questions in response to some of the outlandish statements you've made and you haven't answered, but instead repeat yourself and make more incredible statements.
You posted "Worst of all, some of the most expensive equipment seems to me to be junk." and when asked to provide real world hands-on examples, you replied that you didn't want to get sued. You can't get(successfully) sued for posting your experiences, but I suspect that that's not the real reason.
There are people on these forums, I believe you are one of several in this thread, that believe they know better than everyone else and that those other people didn't come to their own conclusions through experience. That those other people were duped because they're not as smart as you.
I've put a lot of time and effort into finding what I like and what I don't. I've also listened to friends' systems and I can say through listening, most of the time when they (or myself) have upgraded to a more expensive piece it does indeed sound better. To imply that it's all a big sham is incredible.
I'd appreciate it if you would give some examples of gear you've owned and heard. It might give a frame of reference.
EDIT - I just went through your posts in all the threads. I didn't read all 300+, but I see a lot of references to older/vintage gear and no references to new gear. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that you have no experience with the very equipment that you have derided since you joined AK. Am I wrong?
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bad400
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I could see this happening.
Paid reviewers are paid to hype/praise the payers equipment, or degrade the competitors equipment regardless of quality. a honest independent reviewer should make his ears honest assessment, no matter if its good or bad.
No one will ever know what something sounds like until it is their own home environment.
I have been to a few houses buying equipment in which there was what many here on AK would consider to be high end gear, i honestly did not leave wishing i had their equipment.
Now,
Those folks equipment may have sounded very nice to me in my own home, but from what i heard in their house, i am not running out to buy it.
This doesn't mean i think they spent to much money on it, simply because i personally don't care what they spent.
I do however hate to see spending a lot of money on items that simply are not worth that amount of money.
There are items such as EQ's that just are not worth commanding big dollars. its not like its a receiver, or CDP or amp, its just an EQ.
This is just my pet peeve though, if you feel like spending $300 on a $10 EQ, go for it.
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JoeESP9
ESL's & tubes since 83
What a site this is. We have one person who knows how to make everything better and cheaper than currently available anywhere (but doesn't) and another poster who has disingenuously neglected to let anyone know he is a manufacturer of gear.
Oh boy! I can hardly wait for what's coming next.
Oh boy! I can hardly wait for what's coming next.
Thank you, Mr. Moderator.
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