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Inner Groove Distortion- Turntable problem?

80sonvinyl said:
Coming to the conclusion that I possibly notice a lot more stuff than others due to my use of headphones...I don't mean to go against anyone who says it, but maybe those who say they have 1000s of LPs without distortion just haven't listened to most of them through headphones (in fact haven't listened to most full stop!)
Thing is I don't think it's worth investing in better speakers due to living with my family...and I don't live in a mansion! Might look into the EQ thing you mentioned.

So you definitely don't think it could be a TT problem? I know it's a new table but there's always a dud even with Technics I'm sure!

You seem to collect a lot of the same stuff I do (and doing a much better job of it mind you!) Do you have many UK presses?

Ps loving the look of that Mk7... Do they come with that big Technics logo on the front or is it a sticker? I'm a big fan of the matte black finish, would have got my 1500c in black if they hadn't been sold out.
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EQ correction is a must for headphones. I use it at my desk when I play digital files. In my case, it's all digital with software. If I used headphones for vinyl I would get an analog EQ like the one JDS labs sells.

RE: UK pressings, I have a few but not as many as I would like. I buy them when I come across them.

RE: the logo, it's a sticker that came with the turntable. At first I didn't put it on, then I said screw it, and I like it, so whatever.
 
patient_ot said:
Great album, used to have the CD years ago. Never had it on vinyl. I have a tech-house 12'' from the 90s that's about like that.
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Sounds great and was thankfully unplayed, possibly due to the unusual foldout packaging. I've had it since 2013 in my "to clean" pile and finally pulled it out a couple of months ago. Finding out it was a Porky was the real surprise.
 
80sonvinyl said:
Ah yes, have heard good stuff about Mr Peckham. Didnt he do OMDs early stuff ? If so I can certainly vouch for him with my 1st press of Architecture and Morality
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Peckham did a lot of records, but his cuts are not common here in the U.S. I have a few that I prize. They are cut hot.

Arun Chakraverty is another guy that cut quite hot. Many others also on both sides of the pond. During the late 70s, early 80s, cutters really pushed the limit with making records hot. Bernie talks about that in the video I linked above.

RE: early OMD, the UK copy I have of A&M was cut at Townhouse, not by Peckham.

I have both U.S. and early UK copies of Dazzle Ships, which is my favorite OMD album. The U.S. cut is by Masterdisk. The UK one was done at the Master Room by Arun C. Of the two the UK is hotter and I prefer it, though neither copy sounds bad at all.

OMD also sounds very good on old CDs.
 
patient_ot said:
Unless the deadwax is the same exact width, with the same exact matrix (besides what I said before), it's NOT the same pressing, end of story. They could even be cut by different engineers at different mastering houses.

German one is a totally different cut from the UK in that case.
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Ok. But basically, if my setup can play a record that has very thin deadwax and isn't an overly long LP in the first place (4/5 average length tracks), it has no problem playing a 'hot cut'?
 
Grenadeslio said:
Yes, he's tried different stylus in the same cartridge, if the cartridge has issues no stylus will fix that.

I mentioned trying a different cartridge for this reason on page one.
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I tried my old AT95E stylus on my VM95ML cart. I wanted to eliminate the stylus as being a source. Can problems arise in the carts themselves?
 
80sonvinyl said:
I tried my old AT95E stylus on my VM95ML cart. I wanted to eliminate the stylus as being a source. Can problems arise in the carts themselves?
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HIGHLY unlikely. MM carts bodies are just pole pieces and some coils of wire. Most MM carts, including AT are wound on a machine. The quality control of the actual cart body is very high.

I've used and heard a bunch of different carts. If the 95ML can't effectively track something, the chances are much greater that the problem is with the record itself.

If the record is in "beater" condition, you can get a cheapo $20 conical cart and use that. It won't help with IGD at all though.
 
patient_ot said:
HIGHLY unlikely. MM carts bodies are just pole pieces and some coils of wire. Most MM carts, including AT are wound on a machine. The quality control of the actual cart body is very high.
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So the ones I have had go tits up over the last 47 yrs where an illusion? ;)
 
80sonvinyl said:
What does a 'tits up' cart sound like? Would appreciate a description of how it sounded, instead of smartness
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You would need a set of tools to test the cart body. One channel would be completely out or much weaker than the other for example. I have cart bodies here that are ~40 years old and they haven't gone bad. A virtually new cart body isn't likely to go "bad" either.
 
80sonvinyl said:
What does a 'tits up' cart sound like? Would appreciate a description of how it sounded, instead of smartness
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The three I can remember off the top of my head (ADC, AT and a Shure) 2 lost a channel and one wouldn’t play back at all.

Following along with this thread IMHO you are obsessing over something that really isn’t an actual problem :dunno:

:beerchug:
 
patient_ot said:
You would need a set of tools to test the cart body. One channel would be completely out or much weaker than the other for example. I have cart bodies here that are ~40 years old and they haven't gone bad. A virtually new cart body isn't likely to go "bad" either.
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Been working professionally on electronics since 1985, anything new or old can “go bad” at any moment.

I have installed plenty of bad brand new parts.
 
80sonvinyl said:
What does a 'tits up' cart sound like? Would appreciate a description of how it sounded, instead of smartness
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The question you have to ask, how hard is it to change the cartridge to find out?

Interesting how one of my jobs today reflects on this. Exhaust fan for SYSCO was having issues, met with site maintenance personnel. Asked if they checked the breaker for issues, they insisted they changed to a new bucket in the MDP (master distribution panel) so that couldn't be the problem.

Long story short, after two motors were replaced and the problem still persisted I convinced them to let me install a different breaker, problem solved.
 
GChief said:
The three I can remember off the top of my head (ADC, AT and a Shure) 2 lost a channel and one wouldn’t play back at all.

Following along with this thread IMHO you are obsessing over something that really isn’t an actual problem :dunno:

:beerchug:
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I'm coming to agree with you on that last point. But this thread is obviously dealing with distortion issues, not the loss of a channel/ total loss of playback!
 
Grenadeslio said:
The question you have to ask, how hard is it to change the cartridge to find out?

Interesting how one of my jobs today reflects on this. Exhaust fan for SYSCO was having issues, met with site maintenance personnel. Asked if they checked the breaker for issues, they insisted they changed to a new bucket in the MDP (master distribution panel) so that couldn't be the problem.

Long story short, after two motors were replaced and the problem still persisted I convinced them to let me install a different breaker, problem solved.
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A pain in the ass actually :rflmao: I only have one headshell and would have to obviously misalign my ML cart, put in the 95E, then align that, then align my ML again.
I agree with troubleshooting but if there's no stories of a faulty cartridge behaving akin to what I'm describing in this thread, there's little point in me doing it I think.
 
80sonvinyl said:
I'm coming to agree with you on that last point. But this thread is obviously dealing with distortion issues, not the loss of a channel/ total loss of playback!
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Those are just ones I have personal experience with, I am sure there could be other symptoms, I have just never heard any personally. :thumbsup:
 
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