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Is Crosley a problem for Vinyl revival?

mg196 said:
Ditto there. Roivas is right on the money as far as I'm concerned. But from now on, I am OUT!

:lurk:
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I agree with most of what he said; however, in the very first sentence he does exactly the same thing he accuses others of doing, that being showing a bias towards one group vs the other.

Sorry, but if you don't see that you're in denial.

Jon
 
jnoyes said:
Apparently you don't get it either.

His first paragraph shows a bias against older people. When you say younger are more willing and able to do something, the implication is clear that they are better than older people at doing that thing. If you think that's OK to say, then you're biased as well.

Jon
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Dude -

I don't need, nor appreciate, your lecture. I think you're looking for a fight in the wrong place.
 
Everyone,

How about getting back to the original question?

Yes, Crosley is a problem for the vinyl revival for a variety of reasons. Among them:...

Cheaply made

70% plastic

Poor sound quality
 
iLUVanalog said:
Everyone,

How about getting back to the original question?

Yes, Crosley is a problem for the vinyl revival for a variety of reasons. Among them:...

Cheaply made

70% plastic

Poor sound quality
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The conclusion I'm drawing from your statement (and thanks to you for steering back to a surprisingly interesting topic) is that cheap turntables will discourage people from adopting vinyl because they'll be disappointed with the experience? Have you considered the ritual portion of the experience? Dropping the needle, reading liner notes, looking at cover artwork. When CD's dethroned LP's, my biggest disappointment was trying to sit down and look through the CD material. It looked like LP material shrunk down on a copy machine.
 
Btw john mellencamp is selling a nice special edition of his latest album, comes even with portable turntable. Unfortunately a crosley.
 
Not related to the OP's question but to where this debate seems to be going....

Old people advantage: They typically have experienced more deep details of things, like understanding how to set up rabbit ears. Changing spark plug cables (don't exist on new cars anymore), working on engines, reading books and playing outdoors.

Young people: Can learn more about anything than was thought available a even 10 years ago. The world is at your finger tips. Understanding and sharing between societies is much better than in the past. Lack (more like a difference) of creativity, I can't get my nephew to put down an ipad for more than a couple of minutes. This overload of prepackaged marketed junk is the biggest problem the young generation will have to deal with.

Both generations will/ have seen changes that no one could have imagined 100 years ago, and things will continue. I don't know if that is good or bad, but it will be interesting.

I will say we all love music. We are born loving it and will hopefully all die loving it.
 
Sigh. Some of y'all seem to have lost the spirit of Christmas already. Don't forget, Santa's already watching for next year! :tongue:

BTW a different option for digitizing would be to buy a $50 outboard USB analog-digital converter for friends/family/whoever, and loan them a nice TT. I don't know what the Music Hall USB1 is like, maybe it's fabulous, just wanted to throw out another option.

I'm staying out of the rest of it. :D
 
stevantr said:
Not related to the OP's question but to where this debate seems to be going....

Old people advantage: They typically have experienced more deep details of things, like understanding how to set up rabbit ears. Changing spark plug cables (don't exist on new cars anymore), working on engines, reading books and playing outdoors.

Young people: Can learn more about anything than was thought available a even 10 years ago. The world is at your finger tips. Understanding and sharing between societies is much better than in the past. Lack (more like a difference) of creativity, I can't get my nephew to put down an ipad for more than a couple of minutes. This overload of prepackaged marketed junk is the biggest problem the young generation will have to deal with.

Both generations will/ have seen changes that no one could have imagined 100 years ago, and things will continue. I don't know if that is good or bad, but it will be interesting.

I will say we all love music. We are born loving it and will hopefully all die loving it.
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OMG, cars don't have spark plug wires? That's probably why it cost me $700 to have the spark plugs changed in my F150.

Damn! :D

Jon
 
jnoyes said:
OMG, cars don't have spark plug wires? That's probably why it cost me $700 to have the spark plugs changed in my F150.
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V6? That is a different problem.

My point was my point, but most cars don't have them now in the classical sense. I guess not everything has gone to direct ignition with the coil on top of the spark plug.
 
stevantr said:
V6? That is a different problem.

My point was my point, but most cars don't have them now in the classical sense. I guess not everything has gone to direct ignition with the coil on top of the spark plug.
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I was kidding, I know very well about modern automobiles.

It's a Triton V8, 2004. The good thing is that you only need to changed them every 100k. They are prone to break and it's $200 per plug to remove the broken part and fix the threads. Fortunately they only broke three.

Jon
 
...maybe this conversation needs to be moved to autokarma....:D

by the way, that's the biggest problem with Crosleys. Only available in a 4 cylinder model and doesn't even get good mpg.
 
One of the draw backs as a starter player is that the speakers are built in. This might disturb the playing and might create problems with the record at high volumes. Will this effect vinyl in the long run which is what you are trying to preserve? I think yes. You also don't have full adjustments on the arm. This in time might compromise the vinyl too. As with any inexpensive setup it has the potential of ruining the thing we speak of most here, records. I don't see too many of these units being collected in say 40 years.
 
I can't even imagine how dumb it would be to have speakers built into a turntable. Either they are 2" little things that aren't capable of any bass, or the feedback would be wicked. I predict the latter is the case with the current products.

And if we want to talk about record longevity, how many are buying a cleaning brush and good solvent with these players?
 
Dude111 said:
I have a Crosley...... What a piece of crap..... No bass/treble controls .. Your stuck with what comes out!!


Why even bother making something like that if they dont do it right?? (No surprise though really these days)
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The $64,000 question (or questions). Did the Crosley lead you to more LP listening? Do you have upgraded equipment? Did you quit vinyl because of it? What's the back story?
 
rmoreau61 said:
The conclusion I'm drawing from your statement (and thanks to you for steering back to a surprisingly interesting topic) is that cheap turntables will discourage people from adopting vinyl because they'll be disappointed with the experience? Have you considered the ritual portion of the experience? Dropping the needle, reading liner notes, looking at cover artwork. When CD's dethroned LP's, my biggest disappointment was trying to sit down and look through the CD material. It looked like LP material shrunk down on a copy machine.
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Crosley is bad for the vinyl revival because their products are poor quality and they are obviously in it for the money and nothing else. I have demoed LPs on Crosley tables in stores and was summarily discouraged and disappointed with the experience. The feel of every Crosley I tried was very cheap and very flimsy. Given the overall quality of their units, I have no doubt their lifespan would be brief in comparison to a Sony PS-LX55II linear tracking table I have owned since the 1980's that still works perfectly in 2014. No Crosley would last anywhere near that long.
 
" Is Crosley a problem for Vinyl revival?"

Revival or more like Survival? I think not,I don't own one and never will:)
 
stevantr said:
Not related to the OP's question but to where this debate seems to be going....

Old people advantage: They typically have experienced more deep details of things, like understanding how to set up rabbit ears. Changing spark plug cables (don't exist on new cars anymore), working on engines, reading books and playing outdoors.

Young people: Can learn more about anything than was thought available a even 10 years ago. The world is at your finger tips. Understanding and sharing between societies is much better than in the past. Lack (more like a difference) of creativity, I can't get my nephew to put down an ipad for more than a couple of minutes. This overload of prepackaged marketed junk is the biggest problem the young generation will have to deal with.

Both generations will/ have seen changes that no one could have imagined 100 years ago, and things will continue. I don't know if that is good or bad, but it will be interesting.

I will say we all love music. We are born loving it and will hopefully all die loving it.
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Old people were young once you know? So truthfully an old person knows what a young person thinks, where as a young person has never been old so they are pretty clueless about what an older person thinks. And a big difference is when your young your to naïve to realize how little you know. I would be willing to bet that 90 percent of the young people in America today, couldn't pass that 8th grade level test from back in the early years of the 20th century, so much for what they learn.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/12/1912-eighth-grade-exam_n_3744163.html

Older generations didn't have the Ipads and personal PC's so we had to use our brain cells to memorize things. Today most young people specialize in knowing how to find what they need to know on an electronic device. But last I knew old people have access to PC's, Smart phones, and an Ipad as well, and it was probably that same old person who played a part in inventing and building the very items that the young ones use.

I can careless if young people listen to records or iphones, or nothing at all. What they like to do is up to them, and what I like to do won't be affected much by their decisions. As cheap as those Crosley players are, I doubt that many young ones spend much on new vinyl, it is probably after they choose to invest on something better that they start investing in the decent records. But to be truthful I have no idea other than guessing as I have not seen anyone actually buy a Crosley, yet alone use a Crosley, and for that matter I see very few people buying any vinyl where I live, they aren't hounding the 1 record store, and they aren't in the thrift stores looking for vinyl, they are buying old cloths and shoes.
 
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iLUVanalog said:
Crosley is bad for the vinyl revival because their products are poor quality and they are obviously in it for the money and nothing else. I have demoed LPs on Crosley tables in stores and was summarily discouraged and disappointed with the experience. The feel of every Crosley I tried was very cheap and very flimsy. Given the overall quality of their units, I have no doubt their lifespan would be brief in comparison to a Sony PS-LX55II linear tracking table I have owned since the 1980's that still works perfectly in 2014. No Crosley would last anywhere near that long.
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First, let me say you bring up very strong, compelling points. I'm glad to hear you have personal experience with the brand - that helps to add solid data to the original question raised. But I can't resist playing devil's advocate here - it's a great way to prove out (or disprove) theories.

First, I have to say that any company that isn't in it for the money, is going to stay in business by accident or by luck. The number one rule for every business is to make money. Like it or not - that's a fact. To look at Crosley's business model as negatively as possible, I'd describe their mission statement as "let's get these fools to buy a machine to play records on for cheap." I suspect Crosley executives put a more positive spin to their mission statement using words like "value" and "experience" and "vinyl experience."

It sounds as if you've traveled the path of audiophiles to quality machines - or perhaps leapfrogged those first steps involving low quality equipment. I took the hard road. My stepping stones include my parents' console and a BSR hunk of junk (produced in the millions for the masses). Ironically, I graduated to an ADC turntable that had BSR roots. In terms of tracking LP's it out performs the AR XA I am currently listening to John Mayer on. So, can a lousy quality piece of equipment act as a stepping stone to greater things? If more than half of the population can say "yes" then Crosley is good, because a lot of Crosley owners will be buying new (or new to them) equipment to truly enjoy the music - and that's what vinyl revival is all about.
 
"Crosley is bad for the vinyl revival"

Let's keep in mind here. Some people are not audio buffs. They will want to listen to the music and not immerse themselves in it no different the in the 60's let's say. Some will listen to a horrible play and like it. Like my wife with cars...."I just want it to take me places I don't want to maintain it!". sigh....anyway some with low quality devices will still like and buy albums. The difference is that the albums will more than likely sit at GW or be dropped in a dumpster. There are many variables that will change the course of vinyl sales. I believe the first device that improves listening beyond what we have now will shift via heard mentality in that direction. Then we can drive up and down streets picking up equipment and albums....lol...
 
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