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Is Rock and Roll Dead???

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Theo Simon said:
I didn't say the Beatles did anything negative at all. What gave you that idea? When I say the Beatles killed rock n roll, I don't mean that as a bad thing at all. I much preferred the Beatles to Little Richard. I'm dumbfounded that you have apparently misunderstood everything I have said here.
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Of course, how silly of me to assume that "killed rock" would have a negative connatation. Yes, they killed it and it was a good thing... yep sounds good, got it.
 
Theo Simon said:
Rock? No way. Pop? Maybe. I consider them New Wave.
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I would consider them new pop jazz soul blues country disco funk electro folk avant thrash dubstep wave. With a smack of classical and grindcore thrown in for good measure. All executed within a powerviolence frame.

It's definitely not rock and roll, that's FOR SURE.
 
Theo Simon said:
Rock? No way. Pop? Maybe. I consider them New Wave.
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If there is any genre classification that has become meaningless, it would be New Wave. Well, I suppose Emo too.

Generally speaking, I generally do my best to avoid the pigeonholing of music into genre cubbyholes. The best music defies genre classification.
 
poppachubby said:
And how about the "genius" of the Beach Boys, stealing the exact melody and vocal patterns for Surfing USA?? Let me guess, you don't know who or where they got it do ya? Now that's a discussion...
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That is probably the biggest ripoff in music history with Johnny Cash at #2 with Folsom Prison Blues.

On a side note, some of the best Rock and Roll was played at 78rpm. :) :music:
 
Battra92 said:
That is probably the biggest ripoff in music history with Johnny Cash at #2 with Folsom Prison Blues.

On a side note, some of the best Rock and Roll was played at 78rpm. :) :music:
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You know it. Seems like when it comes to having a realistic discussion about rock history, certain knowledgeable people have nothing to say. The Beatles killed rock....pfffft.

Hey Theo, you in here waxin rock history and rock knowledge - talkin about The Beatles killed rock, as a good thing of course. How bout' you spend some time learning about what really went on, I'll even throw you a dime...

Guitar Slim, Johnny Guitar Watson, The 5 Royales, Screamin Jay Hawkins, Chuck Willis...

...come back when you know something.
 
tubed said:
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Somehow the degree of danceability became the measure of rock and roll's demise:scratch2:.
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Can you explain that a bit further, I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that when it switched from dancing music to something else, it declined?
 
poppachubby said:
Can you explain that a bit further, I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that when it switched from dancing music to something else, it declined?
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No. As rock bands progressed and no matter how danceable the music was they became less dance band oriented as were their predecessors going back to ragtime, swing, foxtrot bands and up to and including rockabilly.
Rhythm and soul took over the helm of making "dance music" as opposed to danceable rock.
But rock florished a decade or two after the handoff.
 
tubed said:
No. As rock bands progressed and no matter how danceable the music was they became less dance band oriented as were their predecessors going back to ragtime, swing, foxtrot bands and up to and including rockabilly.
Rhythm and soul took over the helm of making "dance music" as opposed to danceable rock.
But rock florished a decade or two after the handoff.
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If it wasn't danceable, it wasn't rock n roll. That's one of the criteria.
 
tubed said:
No. As rock bands progressed and no matter how danceable the music was they became less dance band oriented as were their predecessors going back to ragtime, swing, foxtrot bands and up to and including rockabilly.
Rhythm and soul took over the helm of making "dance music" as opposed to danceable rock.
But rock florished a decade or two after the handoff.
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Oh I see what you mean. I think the huge political turmoil of the 60s had alot to do with it too. People were pissed and rock was there for the taking as a vehicle for expression. One thing is for sure, the rock fans of the 50s would be a real hard lot to impress going forward. The sheer originality and quality of music that came out of the 50s was never to be repeated. As far as the dancing goes, rock was in part really born out of R&B. R&B simply kept on its own path as rock branched away, but for a while the two were very similar.
 
Theo Simon said:
No, I said 'the Beatles killed rock n roll', not 'rock'.
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You do realize that you are probably one of only 100 people on this planet that splits that hair. Or that sees that difference.

You have to understand that when 99.9% of people use the term "rock," it is a shorthand for "rock and roll." There have been scholarly books by musicologists--people that study music and split and splice genres for a living--that use it in this manner.

I truly feel you are just being contrarian and are coming up with arbitrary definitions that only exist in your mind to make your points. And you move the goalposts with nearly every single post (I pointed back several pages ago that you had already come up with 3 or 4 definitions by that point, and you've done even more now).
 
Theo Simon said:
I didn't say elevators, I said bookstores and record shops. Don't distort what I said. I'm reporting you to the moderator for that one.
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While you're at it please report me as well. You know, just for what I'm thinking about you.

cubdog
 
steelglam said:
You do realize that you are probably one of only 100 people on this planet that splits that hair. Or that sees that difference.

You have to understand that when 99.9% of people use the term "rock," it is a shorthand for "rock and roll." There have been scholarly books by musicologists--people that study music and split and splice genres for a living--that use it in this manner.

I truly feel you are just being contrarian and are coming up with arbitrary definitions that only exist in your mind to make your points. And you move the goalposts with nearly every single post (I pointed back several pages ago that you had already come up with 3 or 4 definitions by that point, and you've done even more now).
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Bill Haley is rock n roll.

Led Zeppelin is hard rock.

Is that simple enough for you?
 
Theo Simon was banned a month ago. He is trolling this thread just like he did on the vinyl thread and Jazz thread a month ago.

I'd like to know how you become "Unbanned" and back on the trolling front. :scratch2:
 
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