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Is Rock and Roll Dead???

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JohnVF said:
For all of our bluster we'd probably have a good time sitting down listening to records.

I would argue (or rather, "discuss"), that those things you listed about Cream are evidence of their success only, and say nothing of their substance. But I'm also not offering that they have none, they're just not something I've really liked. I'd rather listen to Derek and the Dominoes if I'm digging through Clapton's work.

I'm listening to Eno's "Here come the warm jets" right now, and its way more interesting to me than Cream's output. But I also admit that its probably to odd to fill a stadium. I'm ok with that.
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Your missing the point. Cream is but one band I mentioned. Becoming fixated on them strikes me as an attempt to change the subject. I was talking about the year 1967 and listed a few of the many bands that released groundbreaking and respected work that year to exemplify how the landscape has changed.

If you have no response to that, fine. Yield the point and move on. You make good points until you start focusing on particular bands, which is NOT the topic here.
 
I am listening to a Sundazed reissue of Oscar and The Majestics and it's far better than anything Cream ever produced.
 
Jack Lord said:
Your missing the point. Cream is but one band I mentioned. Becoming fixated on them strikes me as an attempt to change the subject. I was talking about the year 1967 and listed a few of the many bands that released groundbreaking and respected work that year to exemplify how the landscape has changed.

If you have no response to that, fine. Yield the point and move on. You make good points until you start focusing on particular bands, which is NOT the topic here.
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I was just using them as one example, more a metaphor so I wouldn't have to say "all these bands from the '70s" over and over. Its not an attempt to just go after Cream. That I don't care for them is no comment on their worth or popularity to somebody else. I used to like them....first song my high school garage band did was White Room.

As I said...there's not going to be any chance, not one in a thousand, that there will be more bands in 2012 that sound like 1972, than there were in 1972. If that is the type of music you are specifically after, then by all means, find it in those bands from 1972, or 73 or 69 or whatever. I like music from a bunch of time periods and like bands from the '70s as bands from the '70s and don't need to see that in today's music. I spent all last night listening to Lee Hazlewood. There's nothing today that sounds like that. Wait, Tindersticks....Tindersticks sounds like Lee Hazlewood. But some things are just of their own time and place, and trying to recreate them is pointless when you can just go to the source, and then enjoy whatever is new and different as well, as something else.
 
"If you have no response to that, fine. Yield the point and move on."

Why don't you yield the point both Cream and Eric Clapton are boring as hell ?
 
Andyman said:
Tru dat, Tom, but we're talking about the popularity of music here, not political doctrine, and that crowd itself does show that rock was pretty popular back in 1969. That's all it means.
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You're right.

That big Atlanta festival made Grand Funk, the favorite band of the younger brothers of the first wave hippies and a band despised by first wave opinion makers and a band still underrated by critics. Funny how other Michigan bands of the time such as the Stooges and MC5 are critic's darlings. Maybe Grand Funk was too gritty, too...Flint?
 
Einar72 said:
I'll see your Duran Duran and raise you a Foster The People!
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Hmmm....I do like that one song. It entered my head over a year ago and never left. It won't leave. Kind of like that Gotye song that's on 24/7.

But I really do like Duran Duran. It's a bit of a guilty pleasure. The hottest girls in art school were REALLY into synthpop, so if you wanted to pop their synth, so to speak, you listened as well. And somehow I ended up really liking it. Lotta nice memories attached to that stuff. I think that's what a lot of this comes down to. People confuse the quality of the memories they have attached to certain genres, with the quality of the music itself.
 
Einar72 said:
In defrernce to Lee Hazlewood's final album, I never vote Republican, either. RIP, Lee!
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The re-release of the nearly forgotten Hazlewood album "House Safe For Tigers" on vinyl is fantastic. There's a company that's re-releasing all of his solo work on vinyl, and they're great. Artwork and packaging, etc, is top notch. Even if you only like old stuff, its a great time to be into LPs.
 
JohnVF said:
The re-release of the nearly forgotten Hazlewood album "House Safe For Tigers" on vinyl is fantastic. There's a company that's re-releasing all of his solo work on vinyl, and they're great. Artwork and packaging, etc, is top notch. Even if you only like old stuff, its a great time to be into LPs.
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I wish I'd pursued more of his work during the 40-year-plus gap between hearing Summer wine and Cake or Death. Problem was, no one in Seattle played his music, and it wasn't until his death that I heard anything about him in the media.
 
Einar72 said:
I wish I'd pursued more of his work during the 40-year-plus gap between hearing Summer wine and Cake or Death. Problem was, no one in Seattle played his music, and it wasn't until his death that I heard anything about him in the media.
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That's the great thing about music today. As much time is being spent unearthing and re-releasing lost gems as there is finding new ones.

As it relates to this thread, even if its just music from '65-'79 that you're into, excellent re-pressings are coming out for almost anything you can imagine, no matter how obscure. Some stuff that was largely forgotten but that became a cult-hit over the years, finally you can find on LP without paying $150 on ebay.

Even if rock died, it's corpse is being dug up and displayed on turntables again, all over the world.
 
halftime said:
" I never vote Republican"
I am stunned a west coast ex-dope smoker would vote Democrat..............
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At the same time period that I Downloaded Lee's Cake or Death, I also got some of Todd Snider's East Nashville Skyline. This little number is used as bumper music on progressive call-in shows:

Conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American male.
Gay bashin’, black fearin’, poor fightin’, tree killin’, regioal leaders of sales
Frat housin’, keg tappin’, shirt tuckin’, back slappin’ haters of hippies like me.
Tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, porn watchin’ lazyass hippies like me.
Tree huggin’, love makin’, pro choicen, gay weddin widespread diggin hippies like me.
Skin color-blinded, conspiracy-minded, protestors of corporate greed,
We who have nothing and most likely will ‘till we all wind up locked up in jails
By conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American males...
 
As much as I empathize with you's positions, the politickin' is going to get this thread closed....and its a nice thread.
 
You are correct, my good fellow. Wishing you 73's and a happy 420 on 12/6 from Washington state. Keep the solder flowin'...
 
Isn't the "your a hater" nonsense sort of like boring old Cream albums. How many times can you play that same tune before you realize it's time to move on to something based in reality ?
 
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The one thing I like about rock and roll is its ability to change, adapt, grow and pay homage to the past, sometimes all at the same time. What puzzles me is that lots of people are clinging to the classic rock bands for dear life as if people forget who Zeppelin is for one second, all their material will literally disappear from the face of this earth. To me, this seems counter-productive of rock and roll in general. For me, I am tired of complaining about "how things were better in the past." To quote Billy Joel: "The good old days weren't always good and tomorrow's not as bad as it seems."

The real question should be "what is rock and roll?"
 
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