God damn it, I earned the right to act old. ;-) Maybe acting old is finally not being under pressure than to be anything other than your true self; just no longer giving a damn. It's a virtue.
It's not just stereos that the kids don't want.
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God damn it, I earned the right to act old. ;-) Maybe acting old is finally not being under pressure than to be anything other than your true self; just no longer giving a damn. It's a virtue.
KrisM
Lunatic Member
This x1000.
I worked in a cabinet shop for years, and would love to be able to able to be paid to do that kind of work as an independent out of my garage.
Not going to happen, though. "Why would I pay you to build my cabinets when I can buy them for way cheaper from HD?".
They come running when they can't figure out how to install the generic sized cabinets in their non-generic sized spaces though, so at least that keeps me busy.
reydelaplaya
Super Member
I appreciate hard work and craftsmanship... and I don't mind saving up to pay for it.
EyeGee
Big Ears
I inherited my Dad's stereo and while I had some above-average mid-fi, his "old school hi-fi" stuff got me started upgrading and loving my music more & more.
I laid my old turntable on my 22 year old daughter; she is loving the vinyl and even making new friends with whom she has that in common.
We shouldn't give up on the younger generation(s) just because they don't have the money to hear superior audio. And they have also had the bar lowered via "free" streaming services and iPod type personal players.
I believe music is an art to be enjoyed in a community. Seen concert ticket prices lately? People are learning that more & more.
cheers everybody. -ig
I laid my old turntable on my 22 year old daughter; she is loving the vinyl and even making new friends with whom she has that in common.
We shouldn't give up on the younger generation(s) just because they don't have the money to hear superior audio. And they have also had the bar lowered via "free" streaming services and iPod type personal players.
I believe music is an art to be enjoyed in a community. Seen concert ticket prices lately? People are learning that more & more.
cheers everybody. -ig
RamblinE
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I'm with @DaveVoorhis on this one. This past semester I got my first D. I have got to take the class over again and pay for it over again. The teacher, a white lady spoke perfect english, was just a bad teacher. I'm not sure what her specialty is or why she's even there. She was very unfamiliar with the subject she was teaching. I'd have taken any other professor from India or East Asia, speaking broken English, who even possessed an iota of knowledge about the subject. Then they'd have at least been able to teach it.
You're a prince, as we used to say.
I was a skilled tradesman and a union man; I made good dough and never begrudged the other guy making a good living, skilled worker or not for that matter. I respect hard work of any kind. We live in a society that tells workers to value hard work yet refuses to make customers and employers value it.
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MannyE
Exterminate!
How is the fact that young adults don't have the desire to take grandma's dining room set a surprise to anyone? Are you guys living under a rock?
This generation has seen their parents get screwed over and over and are smart enough to not fall into the same trap. Work for XYZ company for 30 years...pension? nope. You just get fired...thanks buddy! We need the desk. They know enough not to take on long term debt. So no house to put it in.
Have you seen the rents in major metropolitan areas? The cost of buying a house? Go ahead..have a few drinks in New York, Miami, Los Angeles or San Francisco and tell me about the tab. The average 20-30 year old's priorities are way different than mine were in the 80'-90s when I was in my 20s. No one wants a car. Few can afford to PARK a car. They have no money and no job security.
This, plus many of grandma's "heirlooms" are just junk. Very few grandmas have a Heywood Wakefield collection. More often than not they have a bunch of furniture that matches the insipid collection of "101 Strings" and other "Reader's Digest" compilations of crap. Add that to the above situation and you have a lot of firewood.
This generation has seen their parents get screwed over and over and are smart enough to not fall into the same trap. Work for XYZ company for 30 years...pension? nope. You just get fired...thanks buddy! We need the desk. They know enough not to take on long term debt. So no house to put it in.
Have you seen the rents in major metropolitan areas? The cost of buying a house? Go ahead..have a few drinks in New York, Miami, Los Angeles or San Francisco and tell me about the tab. The average 20-30 year old's priorities are way different than mine were in the 80'-90s when I was in my 20s. No one wants a car. Few can afford to PARK a car. They have no money and no job security.
This, plus many of grandma's "heirlooms" are just junk. Very few grandmas have a Heywood Wakefield collection. More often than not they have a bunch of furniture that matches the insipid collection of "101 Strings" and other "Reader's Digest" compilations of crap. Add that to the above situation and you have a lot of firewood.
Usually when people are leaving Fairbanks they are in such a hurry that they just leave everything there!
stereoguy70
Well-Known Member
Ok.....the way I see this thread has gone, it appears that there have been a lot of generalizations about various generations out there. Let me start the following "rant" (if not for lack of a better word) with stating that I am of what has been dubbed "Generation X" or the "blank generation"......the children of the "baby boomers". I can't speak for anyone but myself on the matter at hand about "kids not wanting stereos and more" or whatever this started as. I personally do want some of my family's hand me downs. I'd love to own the dinette set that my grandparents had from the early 60's to the early 80's......chrome tube frame, formica top, matching chairs......mid century modern if you will......my uncle ended up with it, let a tenant of his borrow it, and somehow they took it with them when they moved out, not ever returning it. (He wasn't home the day they moved out or he would have stopped that from ever happening.) It would be perfect for my small 60's garden style apartment. My mother has two end tables & table lamps that are now also considered mcm, that I would love to have now. She's not done using them yet, but I would still love to have them. Her record collection comes to mind as well. The KLH 24 speakers that were my dad's as well. Do I have the room for any of this stuff now? No. Would I make room for it and weed out the other stuff that I'm not really attached to, hell yes! Some of my cousins are considered of the "millennial generation". They have similar tastes to me and also want some of the family heirlooms.
I guess what I'm trying to say is it all depends on the values your parents instilled in you from day one. Showing what real value in something is, and passing it on to future generations. Now I'm about to generalize here myself, but bear with me. To me, it seems the problem stems from the lack of a normal functioning family unit, lack of belief in organized religion, and a failing public education system. A family that has been split by divorce. A child with a single parent upbringing as well, latchkey kids if you will, that have not had proper discipline or a father/mother figure in their life to teach them otherwise. Kids today are brought up thinking its ok to sell drugs to make money, its ok to have done time in prison, its ok to not have any belief in god or religion, its ok that you won't be left behind in school. Today's education system teaches kids nothing that will prepare them for real life, they teach you how to pass a standardized test so that the school can keep their averages up so they can continue to get government funding. Kids today are sold a bill of goods that you HAVE to go to college to make anything of yourself and any money to survive. They don't teach music, art, or any trades in schools anymore. Not everyone is cut out to go to college to get a degree. It's ok to have learned a skilled trade, and that is not what is taught today. Today's generation is always looking for the easy answer.......they'd rather not do the work, but still get compensated like they did.
Where did the millennials learn this from? My generation sadly. Where did we learn this from? My parents generation...the baby boomers or me generation if you will. Their whole attitude in the 60's was we don't want to go to war, so to hell with you. Then in the 70's & 80's it was its all about me, I got mine. You want to lay blame on the current conditions & attitudes of the current generation and the world? Start with the boomers, the most selfish generation there ever was. Congressmen for life? Yup, the baby boomers idea. Corporate greed? Ambulance chasing lawyers? Yup, it started with them. Makes my grandparent's generation (known as the "greatest generation") turn over in their graves. I bet they're sorry they fought in WWII & Korea for their selfish, world destroying, I got mine attitude kids.
You want to change it so the kids do want your stuff? Teach them how to do it the hard way instead of taking the easy way out. Teach them about pride of work (fixing something that's broken rather than throwing it away and buying a new one is probably the best way. "I fixed that or I built that" is about the best way to show this). Teach them that respect is something you earn, not automatically get. Most of all, teach them that life isn't like TV or the movies, don't expect it to be that way and for things to just be handed to you, you've got to bust your butt to get what you want and that its ok to work for a living getting your hands dirty.
Ok....rant & tangent over.
Pick the above apart, flame it if you will. I'm not planning on responding to it. It's my opinion on the matter and I'm entitled to it, just like you all are entitled to yours. Agree with it some or not at all, that's fine by me. I don't feel the need to defend what I've posted, like it or lump it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is it all depends on the values your parents instilled in you from day one. Showing what real value in something is, and passing it on to future generations. Now I'm about to generalize here myself, but bear with me. To me, it seems the problem stems from the lack of a normal functioning family unit, lack of belief in organized religion, and a failing public education system. A family that has been split by divorce. A child with a single parent upbringing as well, latchkey kids if you will, that have not had proper discipline or a father/mother figure in their life to teach them otherwise. Kids today are brought up thinking its ok to sell drugs to make money, its ok to have done time in prison, its ok to not have any belief in god or religion, its ok that you won't be left behind in school. Today's education system teaches kids nothing that will prepare them for real life, they teach you how to pass a standardized test so that the school can keep their averages up so they can continue to get government funding. Kids today are sold a bill of goods that you HAVE to go to college to make anything of yourself and any money to survive. They don't teach music, art, or any trades in schools anymore. Not everyone is cut out to go to college to get a degree. It's ok to have learned a skilled trade, and that is not what is taught today. Today's generation is always looking for the easy answer.......they'd rather not do the work, but still get compensated like they did.
Where did the millennials learn this from? My generation sadly. Where did we learn this from? My parents generation...the baby boomers or me generation if you will. Their whole attitude in the 60's was we don't want to go to war, so to hell with you. Then in the 70's & 80's it was its all about me, I got mine. You want to lay blame on the current conditions & attitudes of the current generation and the world? Start with the boomers, the most selfish generation there ever was. Congressmen for life? Yup, the baby boomers idea. Corporate greed? Ambulance chasing lawyers? Yup, it started with them. Makes my grandparent's generation (known as the "greatest generation") turn over in their graves. I bet they're sorry they fought in WWII & Korea for their selfish, world destroying, I got mine attitude kids.
You want to change it so the kids do want your stuff? Teach them how to do it the hard way instead of taking the easy way out. Teach them about pride of work (fixing something that's broken rather than throwing it away and buying a new one is probably the best way. "I fixed that or I built that" is about the best way to show this). Teach them that respect is something you earn, not automatically get. Most of all, teach them that life isn't like TV or the movies, don't expect it to be that way and for things to just be handed to you, you've got to bust your butt to get what you want and that its ok to work for a living getting your hands dirty.
Ok....rant & tangent over.
Pick the above apart, flame it if you will. I'm not planning on responding to it. It's my opinion on the matter and I'm entitled to it, just like you all are entitled to yours. Agree with it some or not at all, that's fine by me. I don't feel the need to defend what I've posted, like it or lump it.
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Oh man, don't get me started on the Baby Boomers. The generation that had to "get into" things rather than simply doing them. The first generation that wanted to be bourgeois and unconventional at the same time, blithely unaware of the paradox. The people who think an accountant who drives an Audi is different from one who drives a Buick is some fundamental and important way. The first people to side with their kids rather than the teacher when their kids ****ed up at school. The people who thought war was evil when there was a draft and are indifferent to war now that the army is professional. The people who were liberals in college and union busters in business. Drug addled, delusional, self centered hypocrites of the first order.
Except for me, of course.
Except for me, of course.
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Riverview, Michigan...I hear they used to have a small ski run or two on top of the landfill. Now it's called Riverview Highlands...yep, a small golf course. Sheesh.
Those Greenbriers are actually collectible now.
(Although I gladly would have turned that frikin' Merkur I used to own into a septic tank, had I owned that lemon any longer...)
bluescat
Well-Known Member
And you forgot that they brought the millennials, and gen-x'rs into the world and spoiled them to death.
And the so called Greatest Generation raised the Boomers. In any event the greatest American generations are the one who made our revolt against Britain and founded the nation and the one that crushed the Southern Rebellion, thus saving the nation and in the process destroying slavery.
Nightwisher
Farer In The Goldilocks Zone
Having just graduated from a university that is renowned in the southeast for it's engineering programs (also its sports teams), this is spot on. Walking by the buildings of the university I live next to now (the other public one in the state, which is even larger), I see it's true here too. This makes sense because it's no secret that the US education system is behind on the K-12 levels.
Big classes are the norm as well. I once sat in a class with 600 students in it. A class of around 100 was normal for freshman, general education, and popular classes that everyone had to take or wanted to take. Even engineering classes that a lot of people took were around 50-75 students.
On the money point that someone mentioned (and I previously mentioned as well), even at a public university, it's about $25k a year for in state tuition (out of state is usually about double) and rising. My university went up almost $3k in tuition in the 4 years I was there. That means 4 years of college can easily equal $100k+ of debt and that doesn't include interest or living expenses not factored into tuition. Regardless of what you do afterward, that's a lot of money to pay back. Some of us are lucky to have scholarships. Some of us have parents that help. Many don't get any help, except from government borrowing. Even accounting for inflation, that's proportionally a lot higher than what baby boomers and gen-xers had to pay off versus an average wage for college grads. For example, my mom worked at a restaurant during summers and paid off a good bit of her tuition. Today, that would barely put a dent into the total tuition (certainly not enough to make it suddenly "affordable" without other help). And I think we all know a high school degree and even 2 year Associates degrees don't do as much for you as they did in the past, making a 4 year college degree more necessary than ever.
Relating this back to the discussion at hand, millennials are a different breed due to circumstances.
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I think some people have a misunderstanding of the differences between many of the young people coming out of college. So many of them go simply because it is what we told them was needed to get a good job, so they go, and instead of taking the opportunity to really excel they party and come out without a degree that will land them a good job. I know others who work hard and come out and go straight into a great job paying almost 6 figures right out of school. My son only go his AS went straight out working on the Shuttle, and was making quite a large sum of money until it was mothballed. He is now working in another field and it is a lot tougher, and he sees what his other friends make who went the whole distance and got their engineering degree. Now he is back in school, to get his degree, while working a full time job and over time, and it is very tough, lot of difficult math classes. But he knows what is on the other end of the tunnel. He owns a house, nicer than my home. But he has not got the collectors habit that I have had all my life. But both he and my other son, know values, and if they don't wish to keep what they will inherit they know what I own is not junk from your local Rooms to Go. And they would have no problems selling it for good money to make their life easier. The youth today are not really much different than we were youths, some of them are hard workers with a direction in life, others have no direction and will have it hard all their life, it is no different than when I grew up.
bluescat
Well-Known Member
Not so sure slavery was "destroyed", I sure saw alot of poverty and discrimination against blacks growing up in the 50's and early 60's, and we still have some of that today, although not of the same magnitude.
This seems pretty accurate. I do see the education and job market to be tougher these days. Lots more switching careers nowadays as changing technology and globalization raises hell with job markets .
I had one of these back in the day. Was a blast to drive!Riverview, Michigan...I hear they used to have a small ski run or two on top of the landfill. Now it's called Riverview Highlands...yep, a small golf course. Sheesh.
Those Greenbriers are actually collectible now.
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(Although I gladly would have turned that frikin' Merkur I used to own into a septic tank, had I owned that lemon any longer...)
