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JVC QL-?? owners thread

Did you notice that he used a stock tonearm on that slate plinth table? It probably started as a QL-7. Don't discount the UA-5045 that came on the QL-7 or the UA-7045 that came on the higher versions. Did you see my post with the pictures about the UA-5045? Do a little research, they are better than some of the popular after market units and reasonably priced.
I would have the plinth cut for an arm board for easy tonearm swap's.

BillWojo

Do you have any specs or performance info on those ? The 7045 ?

And just beautiful on the 3 tables above. I like the first one. Beautiful. Would be nice to have an extra arm or two. How would that be for cart comparison or to see if there is a noticeable difference between the arms?
 
I would have a local guy cut a piece of slate or granite or marble whatever you want by hand and he could polish the edges. I’ve talked to several people who have a yard full of scrap counter top materials but never asked for a price. If they milled out a slot with a shoulder you could fit different arm boards in, have several on hand for different effective lengths. And you could use different materials, stainless, aluminum, even an exotic wood!
 
Well it looks as though I’ve been debited for the TT-81 with no warning or anything, it’s amazing how buyee tenso works. I’m sending photos of the slate plinth to an individual to see if he’s interested in cutting it for me. I hope these units have a decent platter. I’ve wanted a 101 for two years but there not readily available.
 
T 101 a little rare. T 81 or T 71 are so close in performance that don’t think it’s possible to notice any difference sound wise.

Not that I wouldn’t want one. 71 operates on a totally different designed circuit for speed control; if I recall correctly it has an ic chip that compares a square wave for speed control and the 101 has a push-pull design and the 81 is like the 101 but one less method or circuit with its speed control.

This is from emails back and forth with the one person that has posted his repairs on a 81 and 101, And the repair manual. Forgive me if I don’t try looking it. Someone here probably has it handy and knows more about it than I do.

Dave, the repairman, wouldn’t entertain me for repairs if I had the 101 as it’s a complicated beast w a couple of boards sandwiched in the base. He was a little more receptive once I told him I had a 71. Only one board and easier access for repair.

He was nice enough to send me some pics and tips for what to look for on mine. It worked out for me and I didn’t have to ship it out and wait for repairs. 71 isn’t that complicated but if the IC chip goes, I don’t think I can get a replacement. Advantage to the 81 or 101.

So I guess in the end it’s going to be great to pick up any working 71, 81, or 101.

Good luck with your purchase and I hope it arrives all pristine.
 
Just thought I'd mention a detail : the headshell of the QL-Y44F has a metal plate in it, and a black wire attaches to it on one end, and to the green pin on the other. Some sort of grounding scheme for sure.

Now why am I mentionning that? because if you buy a generic 3-D printed headshell, those don't come with that ground.

Is it important? I dunno. But I thought I'd signal it nonetheless :)
 
@desertrat748, the specs should be on Vinyl Engine, as far as the performance, do a search on these. The only weakness is the sagging counter weight. It's caused by a deteriorating rubber bushing between the tonearm stub and the collar. I linked to a repair earlier on here. That rubber piece decouples the weight and helps dampen the arm.
Other really good tonearms were manufactured by Micro Seiki who also manufactured arms for Yamaha and other companies and there are a few nice Denon units as well.
Depending on the cart that you want to use there are other options as well. For low compliance carts like the Denon DL-103 or some SPU carts the Audio Technica AT-ATP12T is a very nice tonearm. The AT-1503 is a current production version of that arm at a cost of $1800.00!
With some careful research you can find some really good tonearms that are a lot cheaper than some of the "Holy Grail" tonearms.

Billwojo
 
Thanks Bill. I took a look at your repair link for the sagging cw. But the pics won’t load and said that they are not available. Idk. I’m going to try to figure it out. The discussion on that link is not clear at all to me.

I have the vinyl engine manuals and states that the arm is coated inside to dampen it. Kind of a nice idea. I don’t see much about the arm though. I like the bearings and the anti skate. It still picks up vibration when anything touches the plinth or feedback with loud volume playing.

I know jvc tried a few engineering ideas to thwart that but I find it lacking compared to my Technics like a lowly 1700.
 
The plinth is like a hollow bell. The Japanese plinths had a lot more MDF in them and are considerably more dead. One of the mods to the plinth is to fill it with something, clay or carefully cut wood pieces. I can hear mine through the speakers if I tap on it.
This table if you have a QL-A7 or QL-7 should be better than a stock Technics SL-1200. My rack is in the room next to my speakers and gets no feedback.
That link if it's not working properly probably needs you to register as a user. It's a free site so just register.

BillWojo
 
I just compared the Nagaoka MP-200 vs the stock Victor MC-100 EB II on this table.

The MC-100 EB II completely smokes the Nagaoka. At least on my setup.

I think the Nag is not a good match for this table tough, as when I balanced the tonearm, the weight went completely to the back and it's rear-end even went past the end of the arm a bit.

The victor cart is 4.5g and made for that table. the Nag is 6.5g, and I had to use longer screws than on the Victor cart, too.

VTA seemed good on Mp-200 but maybe it wasn't optimal, like it is on Technics decks. (the Nag sounded ace on the Technics)
 
Some info on the JVC QL-Y44F

from https://audio-heritage.jp/VICTOR/player/ql-y44f.html (translated by Google Translate)

A full-auto player with Victor technology such as a large turntable, high-torque low-vibration motor, and electronically controlled arm.

The turntable has adopted a 32.7 cm long turntable, and the inertial mass is increased by 20% compared to the conventional level machine by the large turntable. Moreover, the low wow and flutter and the high SN ratio are realized by adopting the high torque and low vibration coreless DD motor.
Moreover, the stability of the quartz lock is raised by the full circumference FG speed detection system and the double servo quartz circuit.

Non-contact electronic control is adopted as a fully automatic system.
The presence or absence of a record and the size are automatically detected by the pulse count of the optical sensor and the microcomputer, the number of rotations is automatically selected, and the arm is accurately sent to the start position. In addition, a rotation speed manual changeover switch is also installed to support records with a special rotation speed.
If you want to hear from the middle of the record, you can freely move it to the left or right with the arm operation button. It is also possible to move the arm by hand during operation.

The highly rigid tapered straight pipe arm which used the electro servo system is adopted as a tone arm.
In the electroservo system, a linear motor is directly connected to the horizontal rotation axis, and while controlling the fully automatic operation with a microcomputer, the resonance of the super-low range generated in the horizontal direction is suppressed. It is an electronic Q dump system that prevents needle skipping and distortion and improves the stability of cartridge tracing.
Also, anti-skating is electronic.

The wood cabinet of the rose tone mirror finish is adopted as a cabinet.
Moreover, the newly developed large insulator is adopted as a leg.

MC type cartridge MC-100IIEB which improved the high region characteristic is adopted as a cartridge.

Model Record player
motor FG detection coreless DC servo
Wow and flutter 0.008% (RMS, rotating part FG method)
SN ratio 80dB (DIN-B)
Tone arm Electro servo method
cartridge MC type (MC-100IIEB)
Frequency characteristic 20Hz ~ 50kHz
Output voltage 0.3 mV
Replacement needle DT-100IIEB (6,000yen)
External dimensions Width 435x height 170x depth of 387mm
weight 9.8 kg

from https://www.audiokarma.org/forums/i...s-x75-in-the-trunk.633871/page-3#post-8456477

The PS-X65 is ‘half a Biotracer’, although Biotracer was never mentioned by Sony in the PS-X65 literature. It has the same electronic damping and anti-skating, but only in the horizontal tonearm movement direction, not vertically.

So the PS-X65 tonearm is very similar to the PS-X75 tonearm, minus the vertical damping – it will be better than un-damped tonearms, but not as good as electronic fully-damped ones on record warps, or in the wide range of cartridge compliances which can be fitted. However, changing the weight of the PS-X65's headshell will help in allowing a wider range of cartridge compliances to be a good match with the tonearm.

The PS-X65 came out before JVC’s first similar model, the QL-Y3F, which also only has the horizontal electronic damping and anti-skating. JVC obviously decided they’d have to match all the Sony electronically-damped models with their own models with very similar features!

Sony dropped the idea after the PS-X65, but JVC superseded the QL-Y3F with the QL-Y33F a year later (1982), and in 1986 the QL-Y44F, all with horizontal-only electronic damping and anti-skating. JVC called the QL-Y3F, QL-Y33F and QL-Y44F tonearms ‘Electro Servo’, without the ‘Dynamic’ they included on their fully-damped Electro-Dynamic Servo tonearms (JVC’s equivalent to Sony’s Biotracers)! However, Sony’s marketing people didn’t have a catchy and technical-sounding name for the PS-X65 tonearm.
 
As a complement of information : the MC-100 II EB cart has a berrilyum cantilever (!). And has a replaceable stylus. It's got an elliptical cut, and I'll try finding it's dimensions ( I think I saw it mentionned on one site. Either way, I ordered a spare stylus and maybe it'll be written inthe documentation that comes with it).
 
That's a very unusual MC cart, Most MC carts do not have user replaceable stylus. What are you using for the MC stage, SUT or a MC phono preamp?

BillWojo
 
I just compared the Nagaoka MP-200 vs the stock Victor MC-100 EB II on this table.

The MC-100 EB II completely smokes the Nagaoka. At least on my setup.

I think the Nag is not a good match for this table tough, as when I balanced the tonearm, the weight went completely to the back and it's rear-end even went past the end of the arm a bit.

The victor cart is 4.5g and made for that table. the Nag is 6.5g, and I had to use longer screws than on the Victor cart, too.

VTA seemed good on Mp-200 but maybe it wasn't optimal, like it is on Technics decks. (the Nag sounded ace on the Technics)


That’s very interesting to see your results. I’ve used the MP-200 on the QL- A7 and had excellent results. I’d love to hear MC - 100 EBii The comparison is a little dependent on the setup no? What preamp was used for both?
It’s usually a lot easier to get going for less $ with the MM/MI vs MC.

Reading up on the MC-100, JVC engineers were some clever people. Replaceable stylus?Ultralight coil? Moment of inertia?

I wish JVC would have put more time into the plinths and suspension on their tables. I know that they did with the QL A7 but my experience isn’t what they claim their experience is.

Seems to be they really excelled with all of their efforts from the quartz lock, dc servo, tone arm control, and this MC family of carts. Good info and I hope to find one now. Thank you for putting forth your experience.
 
@desertrat748 , the US version got short thrifted on the plinth, it's basically a top board with a frame around it while the Japanese version had a built up layered plinth that was solid. Possibly to save a few pounds per unit when shipping? We will never know.
One of the popular mods is to fill in the bottom of the plinth with modeling clay or carefully cut wood blocks to fill in all the free space.
I really don't have an issue with my set up. My speakers are in my living room and my rack is on the other side of a short wall in the dining room that separates the two rooms.
The only other MC cartridge that I know of that has a replaceable stylus came on the Pioneer PL-L1000 linear tracker. I wonder if Victor made that for Pioneer and it's the same cart? The replacement cart on the Pioneer and I'm sure this cart as well contains everything but the magnetic circuit if I recall. The stylus was pricey as not only did it have a nice cantilever and diamond cut but it also had the coils as well.

BillWojo
 
That's a very unusual MC cart, Most MC carts do not have user replaceable stylus. What are you using for the MC stage, SUT or a MC phono preamp?

BillWojo
I'm plugged straight into thePioneer SA-7500's phono input (2.5mV) so I know I'm getting a higher noise floor than with a SUT, but regardless it sounds absolutely fantastic. The amp is actually right where it needs to be volume-wise (at 2) to give enough juce for the speaker to start working their best. Maybe the cart is a hair hotter than the 0.3mV it claims, IDK.

That’s very interesting to see your results. I’ve used the MP-200 on the QL- A7 and had excellent results. I’d love to hear MC - 100 EBii The comparison is a little dependent on the setup no? What preamp was used for both?
It’s usually a lot easier to get going for less $ with the MM/MI vs MC.

Reading up on the MC-100, JVC engineers were some clever people. Replaceable stylus?Ultralight coil? Moment of inertia?

I wish JVC would have put more time into the plinths and suspension on their tables. I know that they did with the QL A7 but my experience isn’t what they claim their experience is.

Seems to be they really excelled with all of their efforts from the quartz lock, dc servo, tone arm control, and this MC family of carts. Good info and I hope to find one now. Thank you for putting forth your experience.
Thank you and no problem. I haven't heard many carts so it's possible that a lot of carts out there, even common and pretty affordable ones, sound as good as the Victor. Maybe say the Denon models that are above the DL-110, sound as good, I wouldn't know. But I have a good ear and to me this sounds very nice and tight.

Also maybe there was something wrong with my setup, like VTA which seemed fine eyeballing it but maybe it wasn't optimal. I'm pretty sure I got overhang right on the MP-200 though, I'm pretty obssesive about that. Was defiitely at the recommended distance and square in the headshell and I even trid with it a millimeter more forward and more backwards too. I started at the recommended tracking force of 1.75g but there was way too much bass, which is a sign that VTF is too low since higher VTF increases treble as we all know. So tried at 2.0g and even at 2.1g and there it was more balanced but still not great sounding. Same preamp was used for both.

You mention trying Nags on your QL-A7. I see that it has a very different kinda arm, a S one or maybe more of a J one I guess. So I think it could definitely be possible for the Nags to be a good fit on the QL-A7, but a bad one on the QL-Y44F. Considering the arms are so different. The fact that I had to roll the counter-weight all the way back and even past the end of the tonearm a bit, to balance the arm, is a sort of red flag to me. that maybe it's not the best of fits. The Nag seemed to behave very differently there than it did on my SL-D2. It seemed louder/hotter. Both this fact, and the fact that the MC-100 runs plenty loud on low volume on my amp's MM stage... both of those combined are intriguing/strange. and makes me wonder ''what's going on there?''.
 
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@dlucy that is some great pictures of a really tough one to fill with modeling clay. I'm sure that really deadened the plinth!
I'd like to find a rough QL-7 or QL-A7 for cheap to go all out on, including making an arm board and have it covered in a nice veneer. I have two 10" arms sitting here, a Audio Technica ATP-12T and a Micro Seiki MA-202L. Either would mate well with a Denon DL-103 cart.

@Oerets that is a sweet looking table. Always good to have a spare parts machine as well. What is wrong with your spare? As far as the other arm style, you might look at the auctions and such in Japan. They get stupid money on Ebay for them.

BillWojo
 
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