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Let's talk Altec speakers / please share your experience and impressions

I have not heard the Altec 604s - I heard a small pair of the UREI 809As , liked the sound and got them,
then ran across a second pair for a good price, bought them, and then found a 3rd set of just the drivers and got them as spares.
I use them as my home theater multichannel system - one pair as front mains, another pair as side surrounds.
Thats a JBL B460 sub in the front right side, for times when a movie needs a sub.

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I have not heard the Altec 604s - I heard a small pair of the UREI 809As , like the sound and got them,
then ran across a second pair for a good price, bought them, and then found a 3rd set of just the drivers and got them as spares.
I use them as my home theater multichannel system - one pair as front mains, another pair as side surrounds.
Thats a JBL B460 sub in the front right side, for times when a movie needs a sub.

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You really have them stuffed in their.
Must really sound nice with that B460 Sub
It has an 18” right? What do you power it with?
Did Jbl make a 15” version ?
 
You really have them stuffed in their.
Must really sound nice with that B460 Sub
It has an 18” right? What do you power it with?
Did Jbl make a 15” version ?
Don't want to sidetrack this thread further - Our home theater was an evolution over a number of years - read here -
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/audiophile-home-theater-room.459878/page-5
JBL made the regular box 15" B380 sub, and the 18" B460 sub with that glorious wedge cabinet.
I power it with a Harman Kardon Citation 22 bridged to mono - something like 600 watts, but it rarely hits peak in that room.
 
Don't want to sidetrack this thread further - Our home theater was an evolution over a number of years - read here -
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/audiophile-home-theater-room.459878/page-5
JBL made the regular box 15" B380 sub, and the 18" B460 sub with that glorious wedge cabinet.
I power it with a Harman Kardon Citation 22 bridged to mono - something like 600 watts, but it rarely hits peak in that room.
Thanks for sharing that
I like most HK
Have 2 citation2’s one 5 and my Reference Preamp Citation 1 Tubes
For when I get the Itch for SS Power
A Crown Macro Reference when I want to Power up the double 15’s in my 4350’s
 
Interesting note on the UREIs.

Just as AudioTechniques used a different make auxiliary woofer than Altec (Utah I believe) in the Super Big Reds, UREI also used a different make auxiliary woofer (Eminance I believe) than JBL for their duo/trio.
 
Interesting note on the UREIs.
Just as AudioTechniques used a different make auxiliary woofer than Altec (Utah I believe) in the Super Big Reds, UREI also used a different make auxiliary woofer (Eminance I believe) than JBL for their duo/trio.
Yes, earlier UREIs used ALTEC and then Eminance drivers -
but after JBL bought UREI, it was JBL coaxials
 
I am saying that yes they used a JBL coax, but with an auxilary Eminance woofer for some models.

Look at these UREI 813s. If I'm not mistaken, that's a JBL coax, but not a JBL woofer on top. No ribs, no tinsel wires showing, and foams on the outside.

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Edit, I guess the early 813s did use an Altec that was fitted with the blue flare also used with the JBLs.

http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/Vintage JBL-UREI Electronics/UREI-813.pdf
 
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Interesting note on the UREIs.

Just as AudioTechniques used a different make auxiliary woofer than Altec (Utah I believe) in the Super Big Reds, UREI also used a different make auxiliary woofer (Eminance I believe) than JBL for their duo/trio.
Interesting to know about the auxiliary Woofer that’s in the Super Big Reds.
Do they have a separated separate Bass enclosure?
set up not to interact together?
 
Even more interesting is the link I provided to the UREI provides their crossover schematic used with the Altec 604-8G that no one has come up with. The other 604 crossover schematics were designed for a 16 ohm horn ather than an 8 ohm horn. The UREI schematic also provides for "time alignment."
There’s a pair up north with the master Labs
Xovers. Still intact!

Pictures? I've never seen two Super Reds that look the same, and I've seen over half a dozen in person and pics.
 
Even more interesting is the link I provided to the UREI provides their crossover schematic used with the Altec 604-8G that no one has come up with. The other 604 crossover schematics were designed for a 16 ohm horn ather than an 8 ohm horn. The UREI schematic also provides for "time alignment."


Pictures? I've never seen two Super Reds that look the same, and I've seen over half a dozen in person and pics.
Is that an actual Bass Port ?
It looks closed off?
Or is it just a dust or cloth cover to keep critters out?
 
MY main experience was with big Altec and the Studio monitors, Urei, too. I owned some Coronados and Carmels back in the 60's. My favorite woofer box was the 817. Stack two of them with 4 woofers and the system was flat down to 40 hz, - 3db, and the sensitivity was over 106 db. Using 3156 which could handle over 500 watts with 2000 watts you could produce a lot of noise though I never used more than 600 watts per pair of woofers. . I liked the Mantaray horns for their directivity, but added four MR 902-16 HF or 950 UHF if I needed great highs over 11 or 12 KHZ. to match each Mantaray. For home speakers I have to agree the Model 19 was the best thing they ever built, even though I disliked the sectorial horns they used. Altec made some 4 way monitors for the Japanese market that sounded great. I got to hear the two models at an Altec clinic in Phoenix one time, or maybe it was Oklahoma City. Altec made some home speakers using 8 or ten inch woofers in pairs with a large midrange dome and a 1 inch tweeter dome that sounded nice. But it just couldn't match the model 19. I preferred the 604 Urei used with a supplemental woofer in the model 813. But you couldn't take one home. Yes they were ugly especially with that blue foam attached the the 604 tweeter horn. I have used Altec 210's and 410's without the wings with Multicell horns with 288 drivers with wye throats and 515 woofers and got great sound for concerts on college campuses in the middle and late 60's. But yes you needed strong scaffolding and a fork lift to set things up. My favorite multicellular was the 203 B. If I didn't have 817 boxes for concerts or marathons I would stack 4 A-7 boxes 4 high horizontally with the HF horns stacked and splayed adjacently on each side of a stage for starters. If it was in a basket ball arena etc then more boxes were added to cover the sides with more horns and stacked 203's for the long throws. We used to stack 4 203's with 290 drivers for very long throws for out door voice only PA's in multiples. 250 to 7000 HZ. 85 db at 400 meters was not uncommon. Mac amps with power guard in the 70's kept diaphragm failures under control finally. Altec always over rated the power handling of the 288C, 802, and 806 drivers. The 290 performed as claimed. 291 and 808 drivers could handle more power if you raised the crossover to 8oo HZ and used the appropriate Mac power amp with power guard. MR-902's could handle over 50 watts iff you crossed then above 7000 HZ. I crossed them at 6000 Hz when combined with 290 drivers as the midrange for discos using 311 horns. I was always trying to keep discos to 3 ways systems, but more often that not I had to add the dual 18" Altec subs to get the knee buckling punch they wanted in old Mexico. Even when we used JBL or Klipsch the systems ended up being 4 ways. Thats a lot of Mac amps. I never saw an Altec amp meet its own specs let alone Mac specs. Especially that awful 9440. The 1570 B was a joke. The 1590C worse with only 70 db signal to noise.
 
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MY main experience was with big Altec and the Studio monitors, Urei, too. I owned some Coronados and Carmels back in the 60's. My favorite woofer box was the 817. Stack two of them with 4 woofers and the system was flat down to 40 hz, - 3db, and the sensitivity was over 106 db. Using 3156 which could handle over 500 watts with 2000 watts you could produce a lot of noise though I never used more than 600 watts per pair of woofers. . I liked the Mantaray horns for their directivity, but added four MR 902-16 HF or 950 UHF if I needed great highs over 11 or 12 KHZ. to match each Mantaray. For home speakers I have to agree the Model 19 was the best thing they ever built, even though I disliked the sectorial horns they used. Altec made some 4 way monitors for the Japanese market that sounded great. I got to hear the two models at an Altec clinic in Phoenix one time, or maybe it was Oklahoma City. Altec made some home speakers using 8 or ten inch woofers in pairs with a large midrange dome and a 1 inch tweeter dome that sounded nice. But it just couldn't match the model 19. I preferred the 604 Urei used with a supplemental woofer in the model 813. But you couldn't take one home. Yes they were ugly especially with that blue foam attached the the 604 tweeter horn. I have used Altec 210's and 410's without the wings with Multicell horns with 288 drivers with wye throats and 515 woofers and got great sound for concerts on college campuses in the middle and late 60's. But yes you needed strong scaffolding and a fork lift to set things up. My favorite multicellular was the 203 B. If I didn't have 817 boxes for concerts or marathons I would stack 4 A-7 boxes 4 high horizontally with the HF horns stacked and splayed adjacently on each side of a stage for starters. If it was in a basket ball arena etc then more boxes were added to cover the sides with more horns and stacked 203's for the long throws. We used to stack 4 203's with 290 drivers for very long throws for out door voice only PA's in multiples. 250 to 7000 HZ. 85 db at 400 meters was not uncommon. Mac amps with power guard in the 70's kept diaphragm failures under control finally. Altec always over rated the power handling of the 288C, 802, and 806 drivers. The 290 performed as claimed. 291 and 808 drivers could handle more power if you raised the crossover to 8oo HZ and used the appropriate Mac power amp with power guard. MR-902's could handle over 50 watts iff you crossed then above 7000 HZ. I crossed them at 6000 Hz when combined with 290 drivers as the midrange for discos using 311 horns. I was always trying to keep discos to 3 ways systems, but more often that not I had to add the dual 18" Altec subs to get the knee buckling punch they wanted in old Mexico. Even when we used JBL or Klipsch the systems ended up being 4 ways. Thats a lot of Mac amps. I never saw an Altec amp meet its own specs let alone Mac specs. Especially that awful 9440. The 1570 B was a joke. The 1590C worse with only 70 db signal to noise.
That’s some pro sound experience!
And you still have 19’s.
Are they stock or modified?
Still powered by Mac?
 
@Onebean, if you are ever in the area I’d welcome you to stop by again and listen to several types of speakers. My latest (and possibly my endgame speakers) are 15” Stephens Coaxials in Altec 612 cabinets. To my ear, they are similar to Altec 604s. They would give you some experience with horn Coaxials to help you determine if you like them.

@Zvezda offered a listening session with his newly acquired 604s, you could make a weekend out of it. :)

Best of luck with the speaker hunt, what a fun position to be in.
 
@Leben and @Zvezda thank you for the invite, it would be a great trip. I'm stacked though the end of the year, but maybe we can get together after the first of the year, and before your busy season hits. I have a new amp project in the works, so I would hope to bring those for auditioning the Stephens.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty well booked up for the winter--Nashville for thanksgiving, SoCal for Christmas, and some domestic supplier visits for work in December and January, and then more supplier visits in Mexico in February...
 
Maybe we can get the planets to align, and have some audio fun. I'll send you and Leben a PM after the first of the year, and we can look for a date that works for everyone. Have a great Thanksgiving!
 
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