McIntosh MC275 MK VI Clone

heath2832 said:
Name only? The company is still in business LOL https://www.marantz.com/en-us/
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The last real Marantz product made under in 1964 when Saul Marantz sold out to Superscope as the company was on the verge of bankruptcy. The "Marantz" of today has changed hands multiple times, the products are so diluted from what they had been. Your argument is absurd to the point of being laughable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marantz

https://www.audiohistory.com/files/documents/marantzhistory.pdf
 
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Similar to plenty of other brands really. I have an RCA TV set, but its got nothing to do with the RCA company that was based in New Jersey.
 
100hr Update....Yep...She is still Singing:music:. No changes to Noise (no power on/off thump) Transformers/Body or additional heat. I have replaced the GL KT88's with EH KT88's for a sound check with the following
findings. Gold Lion's has a Very Wide sound stage, Deep Bass (a little loose), Smooth Treble and Good Separation of instruments like a Jazz Club. EH has a Focus Sound Stage, More separation of instruments like a Concert Hall, Tight Bass (more impact/kick) and just the
right Treble without being to bright. It all depends on your speakers, but I do like Both Brands on what I am hearing. Currently I am using Marantz 7T modified (Auricap XO films rock!!!) and I might say...Juicy sounding. So, what Pre-Amp do I buy? Well of course Orsefon/Mac C22 Clone(go ahead and bring it on) ordered placed (2 weeks for delivery).

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Now many businesses in the US copy competition products as close as they can get away with? If they can steel an idea from someone without good patent protection? Some inventer who shows them thier idea before they apply for/have weak patent. Fair game. Just leave it here with us for a while, to test it. We'll get back to you.

How many manufacturers have original ideas?

I've seen a R&D department tear apart competition products to find a way to duplicate a product without being successfully sued. Make it slightly different enough. Always been that way.
 
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Car manufacturers do this all the time. A specific example I can give is the 1977 GM B body re-design. If you look at the suspension on that, then look at what Ford did in 1979 on the Panther chassis, you'll find a whole lot of familiar looking stuff. I'm not saying that a Ford engineer didn't go buy an Impala in 1977 to take apart, but I'm not saying they did either.
 
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Old Guy8 said:
I've seen a R&D department tear apart competition products to find a way to duplicate a product without being successfully sued. Make it slightly different enough. Always been that way.
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I've literally been the person paid an hourly wage to "come up with a better one"
That's business.

(Personally I've never been employed outside the good old USA, do I guess that practice isn't a national policy so much as it is an inherently human trait)
Copy them as closely as the law will permit and improve where neccessary...
 
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gadget73 said:
Car manufacturers do this all the time. A specific example I can give is the 1977 GM B body re-design. If you look at the suspension on that, then look at what Ford did in 1979 on the Panther chassis, you'll find a whole lot of familiar looking stuff. I'm not saying that a Ford engineer didn't go buy an Impala in 1977 to take apart, but I'm not saying they didn't either.
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Just look at how a couple of the other truck manufacturers have been copying the Dodge grill over the last few years as Dodge is now slowly moving away from that look. All the auto manufacturers take design cues from each other and tweek them a bit to try and look original. If enough people like the look of something from one company, the others try to cash in on it.
And I'm sure car companies buy certain vehicles from competitors and disassemble them. It makes perfect business sense to keep up with competitors.
 
150hr check-in...I noticed at 125hrs a bit of Tube Whoosh when I turned off the unit, also fuzzy sound from the Tweeter. Could this
be a Tube(s)? YES...I had installed NEW Tung-Sol 12AX7/ECC803S Gold Pin at V1, V2, V5 and around 25hrs a whoosh at turn off was heard. Replace with
new GL Genalex 12AX7 from Upscale Audio and back to Quite. From another thread maybe V1? I will test the TS 12AX7 on a Tube Phono Amp which one of the three went
noisy. The Orsefon/Mac C22 Clone has shipped with a delivery of "maybe" 3/27.
 
200Hr Check-in... Have been running the Clone for 24hrs. All good since the Tube change to GL Genalex 12AX7(will check Monday as to which TS 12AX7 got noisy).
I am really impressed on the Lush/Detailed Sound this is putting out. 24Hr Heat Check from Infrared Thermometer, KT-88's at 215-225°F, Power Input Trans 98-100°F, 2 Output Trans 80-85°F (Temp Meter at rear of unit).
The Orsefon/Mac C22 Clone Pre-Amp is delayed as shipping out of Hong Kong (COVID uptick) is adding 7day's to delivery. This should be going out this week.
 
CohibaJoe said:
200Hr Check-in... Have been running the Clone for 24hrs. All good since the Tube change to GL Genalex 12AX7(will check Monday as to which TS 12AX7 got noisy).
I am really impressed on the Lush/Detailed Sound this is putting out. 24Hr Heat Check from Infrared Thermometer, KT-88's at 215-225°F, Power Input Trans 98-100°F, 2 Output Trans 80-85°F (Temp Meter at rear of unit).
The Orsefon/Mac C22 Clone Pre-Amp is delayed as shipping out of Hong Kong (COVID uptick) is adding 7day's to delivery. This should be going out this week.
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Any updates? I've been looking at one of these for a few weeks now. Something with more oomph than my ST-70, and was hoping not to have to sell a kidney to pay for my audio addiction.
 
CohibaJoe said:
What do you do with a slush fund >4K...Buy a McIntosh MC275 IV Clone. Was on AliExpress last month on picking up some PCB boards, switches(testing) and came across Clones of well know gear. After IM'ing on details, I purchased Orsefon MC275 (McIntosh MC275 clone). Going over the pictures and asking many questions...$2200 and 3 weeks later we have an Amp. The circuit is based on MC275 IV.
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Just because the circuit design is the same it doesn't mean it sounds like a Mac. Mac also hand winds their own transformers in house which is a big part of their sound.

Winding

How its made
 
lightcapture said:
Just because the circuit design is the same it doesn't mean it sounds like a Mac. Mac also hand winds their own transformers in house which is a big part of their sound.

Winding

How its made
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And Mac is 100% Made in the USA? As stated in Thread#10...."I would classify this a Curiosity purchase" and I have been impressed at this point. In a week or two I will be taking this to
my local HiFi shop...Been a customer for 28yrs and they sell Hi End gear so this will be interesting to this demo.
 
Imagine you worked 30yrs for a company. They give you a retirement party and celebrate your years of service with a beautiful Rolex watch. You wear it with great pride and esteem until one day it stops. You bring it to a Rolex dealer and he opens it and tells you "its a knockoff", a clone. How would you fell about your former employer. Would you ever wear that watch again. Absolutely not, it offends you. Its a fraud and you aren't and you don't want anyone to think of you in that way. If you were to put it on your wrist, every time you looked at it it would scream at you "you're a fraud". Now I ask you, would you buy fraud amplifier that would scream at you "you are a fraud". Would you show it to your audiophile buddies? What would they think. Could you relish it and enjoy it with great esteem for your years of accomplishments to be able to afford one. Know this, all Chinees stuff is crap, s**t! Products from China are made with the cheapest materials, go untested to market, and break. So, don't throw away your hard earned cash. Get the real deal, genuine McIntosh. You will be so proud for owning one.
BBRand, former employee of Audio Lab Inc. circa 1972, Cambridge Mass. (who sold a ton of McIntosh, and knows what he is talking about).
 
Robert Rand said:
Imagine you worked 30yrs for a company. They give you a retirement party and celebrate your years of service with a beautiful Rolex watch. You wear it with great pride and esteem until one day it stops. You bring it to a Rolex dealer and he opens it and tells you "its a knockoff", a clone. How would you fell about your former employer. Would you ever wear that watch again. Absolutely not, it offends you. Its a fraud and you aren't and you don't want anyone to think of you in that way. If you were to put it on your wrist, every time you looked at it it would scream at you "you're a fraud". Now I ask you, would you buy fraud amplifier that would scream at you "you are a fraud". Would you show it to your audiophile buddies? What would they think. Could you relish it and enjoy it with great esteem for your years of accomplishments to be able to afford one. Know this, all Chinees stuff is crap, s**t! Products from China are made with the cheapest materials, go untested to market, and break. So, don't throw away your hard earned cash. Get the real deal, genuine McIntosh. You will be so proud for owning one.
BBRand, former employee of Audio Lab Inc. circa 1972, Cambridge Mass. (who sold a ton of McIntosh, and knows what he is talking about).
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:beerchug:, :thumbsup:
 
Robert Rand said:
Imagine you worked 30yrs for a company. They give you a retirement party and celebrate your years of service with a beautiful Rolex watch. You wear it with great pride and esteem until one day it stops. You bring it to a Rolex dealer and he opens it and tells you "its a knockoff", a clone. How would you fell about your former employer. Would you ever wear that watch again. Absolutely not, it offends you. Its a fraud and you aren't and you don't want anyone to think of you in that way. If you were to put it on your wrist, every time you looked at it it would scream at you "you're a fraud". Now I ask you, would you buy fraud amplifier that would scream at you "you are a fraud". Would you show it to your audiophile buddies? What would they think. Could you relish it and enjoy it with great esteem for your years of accomplishments to be able to afford one. Know this, all Chinees stuff is crap, s**t! Products from China are made with the cheapest materials, go untested to market, and break. So, don't throw away your hard earned cash. Get the real deal, genuine McIntosh. You will be so proud for owning one.
BBRand, former employee of Audio Lab Inc. circa 1972, Cambridge Mass. (who sold a ton of McIntosh, and knows what he is talking about).
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Things do change. By the time I left the workplace, employees might as well, been plaster on the walls.
 
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